But, a fiver or tenner the other way (i.e. less) may put more poeple ON to the idea. KH obviously know their operating costs and break evens so who are we to guess whether more or less people would do it at a higher / lower price.A fiver or a tenner per track day is not going to make any serious difference to anyone who tracks their car so I can't actually see it putting many people off.
Knockhill - whats going on??
This coming season I too will be doing the CE nights (assuming they are still a go, brunty has been pretty quiet of late?) as they will be easiest for me to get to and the ones last year were a good crowd and pricing etc.
I think you'd be suprised.simon wrote:The point is if that's what they need to charge to pay the bills then they have to do it. It's not as if KH's exactly rolling in money is it?
It seems to me the price has come about partly because of the track upgrade and likely because of the 'team gimp' videos driving up insurance prices. So we have to pay another £10 more and the Hot Hatch prices stay the same?
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I still have my Hot Marques "passport" which I faithfully produce @ Kh days. It's a shame that they just look at it with mild disinterest as if to say "nice one".
What it ought to be ( the passport) is some sort of PC based system where black flags, spins etc get logged to aid there safety management YET the holder receives discounts and loyalty discounts
Fait enough if they "can" the idea but they ought to at leat communicate why is was ditched or try and improve it ....
As for prices, I'm sorta with Simon here. Anything less the £90 for 4 hrs is good value. 2 hr sessions for me are a waste of time having had to travel from ABZ.
What we ought to bear in mind is that we still enjoy the open pit policy and the fact that they have not (yet ?) been too strict w.r.t showboating and skilled executions ( e.g drifting on purpose @ hairpin).
This is a good thing ! and they do manage lame driving fairly well IMO.
Besides, it's the only track we have to be fair so it's kinda like the post office........use it or lose it
Just me 2p's worth
Cal
What it ought to be ( the passport) is some sort of PC based system where black flags, spins etc get logged to aid there safety management YET the holder receives discounts and loyalty discounts
Fait enough if they "can" the idea but they ought to at leat communicate why is was ditched or try and improve it ....
As for prices, I'm sorta with Simon here. Anything less the £90 for 4 hrs is good value. 2 hr sessions for me are a waste of time having had to travel from ABZ.
What we ought to bear in mind is that we still enjoy the open pit policy and the fact that they have not (yet ?) been too strict w.r.t showboating and skilled executions ( e.g drifting on purpose @ hairpin).
This is a good thing ! and they do manage lame driving fairly well IMO.
Besides, it's the only track we have to be fair so it's kinda like the post office........use it or lose it
Just me 2p's worth
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I've been given a list of dates and prices for KH events for 2007. Prices for track hire have indeed gone up quite a bit (over 10%) since last year.
For the SIDC events, we'll do our very best to keep the prices as low as possible. We've largely managed to keep the price rises under control these past few years by allowing a few more people participating on each event to swallow some of the increases, but I feel we've reached the limit of this now. We could run more cars to lower prices, but that could lead to queuing in the pit lane, and a more crowded track during most of the event.
As most of you know, our events are run very close to break even (we divide the cost of track hire, instructor and wheel/tyre van) by a number of participants (usually 45 these days, used to be about 38 to 40), and that's the cost of the event. We permit a few more taking part to cover our costs for credit card charges (about 4%) and short notice cancellations (we give credits for future events if you can't make it).
Our first event will be on Saturday 10th March this year from 9am to 1pm. It will be priced at £80 for SIDC members, and £85 for non-members. Details will be in the club shop soon.
The later events will be at full "summer" rates, so will be about 10% higher than this
The big advantage that some of the other tracks down south have, is that they are considerably longer, and can run with more cars on track without crowding, and subsequently have more cars taking part in an event. E.g. at Cadwell Park, it is not uncommon to have 80+ cars taking part in an all day event, though there's a limit of about 30 cars on track at any time. This does mean that there will be some queuing to get on track, but generally on full day events, most people tend to have long breaks between stints on track and waiting 5 minutes or so to get on isn't an issue.
In the past, I've attended many events further south, (Robin will remember us even doing Brands Hatch once!), but the costs have become more prohibitive for me (personally) and I'm guessing many others. You are looking at say £200 in fuel (for an Impreza remember
) to get there and back, plus what you'll use on track, £35 - £80 for somewhere to sleep for the night (sometimes x2 if it's a longer drive - don't want to risk an 8 hour drive home after a tiring track event), £150 - £250 to take part in the event, £100+ for insurance if you aren't covered by an existing policy, £50 for food and drink (you can get somewhat thirsty after an event ) Typically it also involves taking one or two days holidays out your annual entitlement as well (more loss of brownie points with the family!), as one of the days down/back is likely to be a weekday.
Adding it all up, then you are looking at £500 - £700 for 7 hours track time (9 - 5 with a 1 hour break for lunch). Probably not too much different to the cost of going to The Ring/Spa etc for a day or two, and I'd much rather do that
Putting it into perspective, a 4 hour session at KH for £80 - £90 isn't too bad value when you can drive there and back on the same day, but it can be bl**dy cold at times
John
For the SIDC events, we'll do our very best to keep the prices as low as possible. We've largely managed to keep the price rises under control these past few years by allowing a few more people participating on each event to swallow some of the increases, but I feel we've reached the limit of this now. We could run more cars to lower prices, but that could lead to queuing in the pit lane, and a more crowded track during most of the event.
As most of you know, our events are run very close to break even (we divide the cost of track hire, instructor and wheel/tyre van) by a number of participants (usually 45 these days, used to be about 38 to 40), and that's the cost of the event. We permit a few more taking part to cover our costs for credit card charges (about 4%) and short notice cancellations (we give credits for future events if you can't make it).
Our first event will be on Saturday 10th March this year from 9am to 1pm. It will be priced at £80 for SIDC members, and £85 for non-members. Details will be in the club shop soon.
The later events will be at full "summer" rates, so will be about 10% higher than this
The big advantage that some of the other tracks down south have, is that they are considerably longer, and can run with more cars on track without crowding, and subsequently have more cars taking part in an event. E.g. at Cadwell Park, it is not uncommon to have 80+ cars taking part in an all day event, though there's a limit of about 30 cars on track at any time. This does mean that there will be some queuing to get on track, but generally on full day events, most people tend to have long breaks between stints on track and waiting 5 minutes or so to get on isn't an issue.
In the past, I've attended many events further south, (Robin will remember us even doing Brands Hatch once!), but the costs have become more prohibitive for me (personally) and I'm guessing many others. You are looking at say £200 in fuel (for an Impreza remember
) to get there and back, plus what you'll use on track, £35 - £80 for somewhere to sleep for the night (sometimes x2 if it's a longer drive - don't want to risk an 8 hour drive home after a tiring track event), £150 - £250 to take part in the event, £100+ for insurance if you aren't covered by an existing policy, £50 for food and drink (you can get somewhat thirsty after an event ) Typically it also involves taking one or two days holidays out your annual entitlement as well (more loss of brownie points with the family!), as one of the days down/back is likely to be a weekday. Adding it all up, then you are looking at £500 - £700 for 7 hours track time (9 - 5 with a 1 hour break for lunch). Probably not too much different to the cost of going to The Ring/Spa etc for a day or two, and I'd much rather do that
Putting it into perspective, a 4 hour session at KH for £80 - £90 isn't too bad value when you can drive there and back on the same day, but it can be bl**dy cold at times
John
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John, I'd far rather pay the same money for an SIDC day over a HM day, due to things generally being better organised
Excellent work as usual - much appreciated
Excellent work as usual - much appreciated
Keeps us open-toppers awakeJohnStewart wrote:but it can be bl**dy cold at times
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rossybee wrote:John, I'd far rather pay the same money for an SIDC day over a HM day, due to things generally being better organised
SIDC pricing has always been good value for money, especially having Wheelsaround in attendence. I have used them several times at trackdays now and its brilliant having them there.
Overall Knockhills pricing scheme isnt too bad, it just infuriates me sometimes when you pay your money and turn up to find there are cones all over the track or massive tyre walls to destroy any car that gets it a bit wrong. As long as they cut out the daft ideas I'll happily pay whatever they want.
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