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Re: Camera help

Post by flat-planedCrank » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:02 pm

cloggie wrote:The reason i bought the G10 in the 1st place was for doing the underwater stuff as it is absolutely amazing once set up right.
I never intended it to be my only camera but once I started using it I realised how good it actually was.
I feel the photos just seem to be missing something though, whether it be depth of field , sharpness or my own ability Im not sure but I look at everyone else's photos and mine always seem to look quite amateurish , I just cant put my finger on why and i only seem to be able to blame the camera :lol: :oops:
I think using something with a manual focus might add another element to my photos as The G10 always seems to focus on everything at once unless in macro mode.
Do you think Im going to get any different quality of pics buying a "budget " entry level dslr with a kit lens?
Perhaps less with the kit lenses - they can be better an general walk-around. But a 50mm f1.8 lens - a non-zoom lens - at around £80-£90 (for canon at least) will open more creative opportunities for using depth of field:

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Though even the kit lens will offer more choice of control over your final photo.

If you have a few memory cards (though some cameras will want CompactFlash, others SD) then I would take them down to a local camera store and ask to see some of the models you are interested in - get them to show you what the camera can do. Save the photos on your card so you can check them at home :)

I'm only talking Canon cos that's what I know, Nikon offer a superb range of lenses as well :) There are a number of other lens manufacturers that also make lenses that work with Canon and Nikon - it can be really handy to have other options with regards to pricing especially :)

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Re: Camera help

Post by smee » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:20 pm

Great work with your G10. A DSLR has a bigger sensor and so noise is more easily controlled especially in low light (fewer mega pixels crammed into the same space) In fact the G11/G12 has fewer pixels than the G10 to control this. Also I think the kit lens in the 1000d - 550d has pretty much the same focal length as your G10. A bigger sensor will also allow you to get a greater DOF effect. The 50mm prime won't give you any more reach than the kit lens but it's one of the cheaper upgrades and despite this can produce beautiful results as demonstrated very well by flat-planedCrank (sorry I don't know your real name). My 50mm is one of my favourite lenses especially when wide open and because it is a fixed focal length the quality of the image is a lot better than you would expect for the price. Even if you upgrade you should keep the G10 for days when you don't want to lug a bag full of kit, it's still a great camera.

Anyway enough chit chat, you'll do well with whatever you get, best of luck and looking forward to seeing the results.
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Re: Camera help

Post by simon » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:41 pm

There's a guy on SELOC selling a Canon 450D with 18-55mm IS kit lens for £360 and he says it's unused. That's £110 less than the best deal on the web according to http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk
http://forums.seloc.org/classified.php? ... d&id=17221

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Re: Camera help

Post by JohnStewart » Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:55 pm

I might be selling my 40D soon (mint condition, boxed with all original manuals, CDs cables etc, 9 months warranty remaining) as I've only used it to take about 50 shots since getting the 1D.

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Re: Camera help

Post by Doc883 » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:49 pm

On compact digital cameras there is a misconception that the higher mega-pixel count the better but speaking with a guy who has been out and tested lots this is not always the case. The physical size limitations of the ccd on a compact mean that 6 to 7 mega-pixel is about optimum. Problem is you try and find a 6 mega-pixel camera these days, 10MP seems to be entry level now :shock:
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Re: Camera help

Post by cloggie » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:49 pm

Probably not everyones choice but i picked up a Nikon d40 yesterday for £200 with a kit lens .
I know its not the newest model but its all i need to learn the basics.
1st impressions are it is far superior to the G10 and once I understand it all it should give me the shots Im looking for.

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Re: Camera help

Post by Skyenet » Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:31 am

cloggie wrote:Probably not everyones choice but i picked up a Nikon d40 yesterday for £200 with a kit lens .
I know its not the newest model but its all i need to learn the basics.
1st impressions are it is far superior to the G10 and once I understand it all it should give me the shots Im looking for.
Really good camera and got me back into photography. Used one along with a Pentax Optio W60 (Waterproof) compact camera for our Europe Holiday Pictures. Sold mine for £200 to upgraded some photographic stuff. If you ever go to sell it you will probably get about the same as you paid for it.
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Re: Camera help

Post by cloggie » Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:32 am

That was the thinking behind buying it.
I was looking for something that I could learn the basics with then buy something a bit fancier next year.
Am i better to pick up a half decent lens right now or wont I see much difference from the kit lens?

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Re: Camera help

Post by Rag_It » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:25 am

As has already been said, make sure you invest in the 50mm 1.8 - cracking lens for the money!

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Re: Camera help

Post by flat-planedCrank » Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:06 pm

cloggie wrote:That was the thinking behind buying it.
I was looking for something that I could learn the basics with then buy something a bit fancier next year.
Am i better to pick up a half decent lens right now or wont I see much difference from the kit lens?
Congrats :)

As mentioned above, something like a 50mm f1.8 (even though its almost the same focal length as your kit lens (presuming you have a 18-55)) will give you significantly more control over dof.

Brand new, a 50mm f1.8 could cost a little as £100 - http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-nik ... ens/p12869
(be aware - that will be manual focus only)

More expensive 50mm lenses with autofocus are available:
50mm f1.4 - around £300 - http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-nik ... s/p1028370

Actually, I think I'd be tempted by Nikon's 35mm f1.8 - they have a newer autofocus model for about £163:
http://www.jessops.com/online.store/pro ... /Show.html
or
http://www.warehouseexpress.com/buy-nik ... s/p1030389

It seemed to review well on photozone - http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-a ... kor_35_18g


I would imagine ebay would have this stuff a little cheaper as well :)
IIRC, look for 'AF-S' lenses if you want autofocus on your d40.


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Re: Camera help

Post by Skyenet » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:47 am

flat-planedCrank wrote:
Brand new, a 50mm f1.8 could cost a little as £100
(be aware - that will be manual focus only)

Actually, I think I'd be tempted by Nikon's 35mm f1.8 - they have a newer autofocus model for about £163:
Great advice :thumbsup and are the two prime Nikon Lenses I now own.

They are particularly good in low light situations.
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Re: Camera help

Post by cloggie » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:42 am

Thanks again for the advice, Im looking at lenses right now .
Should I be looking at buying both 35mm and 50mm or would the 35mm do pretty much the same for me right now?

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Re: Camera help

Post by flat-planedCrank » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:52 pm

cloggie wrote:Thanks again for the advice, Im looking at lenses right now .
Should I be looking at buying both 35mm and 50mm or would the 35mm do pretty much the same for me right now?
Getting one lens for the time being is probably best - it'll be enough to see how prime lenses (in general) differ from zooms...

This diagram shows difference in aperture size between lenses - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aperture_diagram.svg
I.e. Even if you spend over £1k on a 24-70mm f2.8 the 35mm f1.8 or 50mm f1.8 lenses would still let in over twice the amount of light - you get a lot of performance for the money :)


If you have the 18-55mm kit lens then just set it to 35mm or 50mm to see which field of view you would like to have as a prime lens.
I'd say the 35mm is the more 'natural multi-purpose' lens of the two options (and that's even before you look at the advantages of having autofocus as well).

Again, just take your camera to a camera store and ask to try some lenses - you'll get a feel for the different options and probably be tempted to spend even more ;)

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Re: Camera help

Post by JohnStewart » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:44 pm

I've got the Canon 50mm 1.8 and it's got auto focus, though it's not the fastest. Great for amazing depth of field arty shots. Looks a bit small on the camera though ;)

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Re: Camera help

Post by Sanjøy » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:18 pm

Evening, I am torn between a Nikon D3100 and the Cannon T2i. the 720p 60fps on the Cannon is winning it for me right now.

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