Just had an off, need help

robin · Post by **robin** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:53 am

IIRC Fd on se did the test and persuaded his instructor/examiner that rotational steering was the way forward - I use it most of the time (push pull, or more likely spinning wheel with one hand, reserved for when I am being lazy

).

Never done any IAM, etc., myself...

Cheers,
Robin

Sanjøy · Post by **Sanjøy** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:55 am

Dominic wrote:I'm a member of the IAM

Mates old boy claims to have got 4k off a Volvo for being a member of IAM.

alicrozier · Post by **alicrozier** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:07 am

robin wrote:IIRC Fd on se did the test and persuaded his instructor/examiner that rotational steering was the way forward - I use it most of the time (push pull, or more likely spinning wheel with one hand, reserved for when I am being lazy ).

I try to use rotational all the time (occasionally slip in town), it's a good habit to get into. Watch the number of drivers who have to look at the wheel to see where it's pointing.

With rotational you never have to...

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:10 am

Dominic wrote: Probably not the correct use of IAM training, but it has allowed me to drive like a bit of a loon, and get away with it!... so far
Dominic

Understatement of the day

Uldis · Post by **Uldis** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:00 am

alicrozier wrote:
robin wrote:IIRC Fd on se did the test and persuaded his instructor/examiner that rotational steering was the way forward - I use it most of the time (push pull, or more likely spinning wheel with one hand, reserved for when I am being lazy ).
I try to use rotational all the time (occasionally slip in town), it's a good habit to get into. Watch the number of drivers who have to look at the wheel to see where it's pointing. With rotational you never have to...

I can't really understand what you guys are talking about (after all, how can you push/pull with a steering wheel that is vertical, not horizontal like a truck?), also, rotational? well, yesm, the steering wheel rotates, I have noticed that.

But having to watch the wheel to see where it's pointing would be utterly ridiculous!
You say other (normal) people really do?

Post by **Shug** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:14 am

Uldis wrote:
alicrozier wrote:
robin wrote:IIRC Fd on se did the test and persuaded his instructor/examiner that rotational steering was the way forward - I use it most of the time (push pull, or more likely spinning wheel with one hand, reserved for when I am being lazy ).
I try to use rotational all the time (occasionally slip in town), it's a good habit to get into. Watch the number of drivers who have to look at the wheel to see where it's pointing. With rotational you never have to...

I can't really understand what you guys are talking about (after all, how can you push/pull with a steering wheel that is vertical, not horizontal like a truck?), also, rotational? well, yesm, the steering wheel rotates, I have noticed that.
But having to watch the wheel to see where it's pointing would be utterly ridiculous!
You say other (normal) people really do?

Uldis - rotational steering is a technique Walshy teaches where you keep the positions of your hands on the wheel the same (virtually impossible to describe without pics) even when crossing arms to go a full turn of lock. You replace the hand on the same part of the wheel when going over 3/4 of a turn.

It's valuable and it works - yeah, it seems daft, but trust me on this, it's not. Buy his DVD, there's some useful stuff in there - even for a track god like yourself

alicrozier · Post by **alicrozier** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:20 pm

Shug wrote:
Uldis wrote:
alicrozier wrote: I try to use rotational all the time (occasionally slip in town), it's a good habit to get into. Watch the number of drivers who have to look at the wheel to see where it's pointing. With rotational you never have to...

I can't really understand what you guys are talking about (after all, how can you push/pull with a steering wheel that is vertical, not horizontal like a truck?), also, rotational? well, yesm, the steering wheel rotates, I have noticed that.
But having to watch the wheel to see where it's pointing would be utterly ridiculous!
You say other (normal) people really do?
Uldis - rotational steering is a technique Walshy teaches where you keep the positions of your hands on the wheel the same (virtually impossible to describe without pics) even when crossing arms to go a full turn of lock. You replace the hand on the same part of the wheel when going over 3/4 of a turn.

It's valuable and it works - yeah, it seems daft, but trust me on this, it's not. Buy his DVD, there's some useful stuff in there - even for a track god like yourself

Yup, Push/Pull or 'feeding the wheel' is the classic 'learner driver' and IAM technique. Left hand always stays on the left of the wheel, right hand on the right.
e.g. to steer right:
Pull down on right hand (release left and move down also)
When both hands reach near the bottom of wheel, grip with left hand and push upwards while releasing right hand (right hand moves up also)
When both hands reach near the top, grip and pull with right, release left etc.
Advantages are smoothness and control.
Disadvantage is you can't steer that quick and there is no positive reference for the wheel.

Rotational you always grip in the same place on the wheel (9 and 3 o'clock when straight ahead). Release and regrip in the same position.
e.g. to steer right:
Rotate wheel keeping hands in the same place on the wheel.
Between 1/4 and 1/2 turn, release right hand, up and over the left arm and regrip in the same place on the wheel (continue turning with left hand).
Continue turning with right hand (swivel left hand round with thumb in the spoke) to full lock.

Advantage is the speed of turning and fewer regrips (you can go lock to lock in an Elise/Exige in 2 regrips) and you always know when the wheels are centred.
Some argue it's not as smooth as push/pull but the only problem I have is it makes using indicatiors difficult (when in town, roundabouts etc.).

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:22 pm

I use it since watching the Welshman's vid, works fine and makes sence.
As Ali says indicators are a challenge though...

It's also called fixed input steering

Post by **simon** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:40 pm

I use rotational steering all the time now. On road, you dont need it much as you can go round most corners without moving your hands. Its only on tight, slow corners or at junctions that I need to use it.

On track though, particularly in the wet, I wouldnt be able to catch half the slides at the hairpin without using it. Thats where I find it really comes into play