Strathclyde Police RT Initiative

[robin]

I didn't use the word bias, I mearly mentioned the trend of moderation in the past. It was shug getting all hysterical that brought in the use of bias.
My comments were in reply to shug saying that this was a balanced thread, which it was not.
People have since come in with posts that make it more balanced.

Balance/bias - it's the same word.

So are you saying this thread requires moderation? We don't normally moderate to add balance (remove bias) from a discussion.

I'm not clear what past trend of moderation you're referring to and what the relevance to this thread is.

Or are you just complaining that there is a (small) bias against what is perceived to be the current policing approach?

Cheers,
Robin

[meatball]

My point was that the mods usually added balance to sls bashing in the past, but didn't bother their hoop in this thread.

[kenny]

PS, I noticed the spelling error old boy.

You forgot to correct him on snyde, oh wait... you got that wrong too.

Meatybaws, genuine question. As one of us, a car bloke, does it bother you that the massively disproportionate measures directed at motorists by the Polis create a sense of a soft target. While the recent events of car crime in Aberdeen, carried out by scum openly taunting Police, victims and the media seem to go unchecked?

Just curious.

[robin]

My point was that the mods usually added balance to sls bashing in the past, but didn't bother their hoop in this thread.

PM me links the threads where you think there is something comparable to this thread and I'll review it.

Cheers,
Robin

[meatball]

PS, I noticed the spelling error old boy.

You forgot to correct him on snyde, oh wait... you got that wrong too.

Meatybaws, genuine question. As one of us, a car bloke, does it bother you that the massively disproportionate measures directed at motorists by the Polis create a sense of a soft target. While the recent events of car crime in Aberdeen, carried out by scum openly taunting Police, victims and the media seem to go unchecked?

Just curious.

Short reply, cops prefer to catch bad people?

[meatball]

My point was that the mods usually added balance to sls bashing in the past, but didn't bother their hoop in this thread.

PM me links the threads where you think there is something comparable to this thread and I'll review it.

Cheers,
Robin

Eh no.

How about you look at this thread then see that the first moderating comments came when I said that it was not balanced, then I was chinned. No balancing comments from shug or you.

As for the other threads, no thanks, my expectations of moderation on here has been adjusted.

Out of curiosity why did it take two mods to take me up on this?

[bertieduff]

You forgot to correct him on snyde...

Dammit...beat us all

Campbell, I hope you didn't read my comment as snide. Was reporting my experience, albeit subjectively, and that involved good and bad. Didn't have a problem with getting pulled over, just treated uncivilly.

It's human nature there will always be some biased opinion against the police, as with any authority figures. I used to work for an enforcement authority too, and eventually learned to eat worms Personally, I'm not seeing any real issues with the thread either way. Posts that generate debate are always the best read.

p.s no hankerings for another lotus yet?

[campbell]

I am not speaking for the Mods as a whole here, but I think action tends to be taken when matters tend towards the personal - or legally defamatory. As I read it, this thread is not particularly personal nor defamatory. Albeit Campbell, you may have interpreted it as such on grounds of your role. That's completely understandable.

I'd also like to point out that I found your exposé of the detail behind what targets are in place, why, and how they are being driven towards, to be genuinely insightful.

Don't throw the towel in.

[meatball]

Not really, I have other interests now, so mpg is more important to me.

The only car I'd return to old be a 340r or a 7.

[tut]

Campbell, you seem to be missing the point that this is not a personal issue to the likes of yourself, Holly, Chris, or any other police officers that are members. Also the police have been praised on here, and members have been told to take the points, fines, and stop whinging if they deserved them.

However you can not post on how you are instructed to do the job now, and not get a responce of what we think of that. The police force should not only be respected, they should earn that respect. If they do not then they are not doing their job. Five years ago I stood on 11 points and I earned them, did not complain, but learned from them, even if it was from then onwards, right time, right place.

Regardless of the fact that I am an Elise owner, and a fairly law abiding one nowadays, I still think that the balance is wrong between using the easy option of concentrating on road offences as opposed to criminal crime, and I do appreciate that the former can include the latter.

It does not help the cause that weekly reports are coming out now of police corruption, from Chief Constables down to those on the beat. I know it is a small percentage, but the man in the street as the media like to class him, does not, so you all start to get tarred with the same brush.

tut

ps:- the one thing that is sure, we all hate fcuking scam vans. They have nothing to do with road safety, they are purely positioned to get maximum revenue. Here is a snide remark, they are not police vehicles, or manned by the police, they are operated by drivers that were turned down for a job at McDonalds.

[robin]

Eh no.

How about you look at this thread then see that the first moderating comments came when I said that it was not balanced, then I was chinned.

Were you calling for moderator input when you posted (genuine question, not being sarcastic)? By that I don't mean that your post was provocative but rather were you calling for moderators to review the thread?

I didn't read it that way, nor did I read Shug's comments before or after your post as being "in moderator mode". I read it as Shug, having contributed to the thread already, reacting to your post with his personal opinion rather than moderation. Perhaps we should make it clear when posting whether we're wearing our moderator hats.

As for the other threads, no thanks, my expectations of moderation on here has been adjusted.

You do understand how that reads, don't you? The "thanks" part is destroyed by the implicit "but" that lives between "no thanks" and "my expection ...".

So does that mean the matter is closed? Or should I expect to see further implications of biased moderation referring back to these other threads in the future?

Out of curiosity why did it take two mods to take me up on this?

Are you asking "why are two mods getting involved"? If so, then that's because I'm reacting to the "AMP3/SLS" comments on which Shug ought not to comment on as you are (I think) suggesting there is a conflict of interest there.

As far as I am concerned there has been no moderator input to the rest of this thread, beyond me trying to understand your concerns and see if I can help sort them out.

Robin (Moderator hat on)

[Sanjøy]

The only car I'd return to old be a 340r or a 7.

Interesting...

[pete]

ps:- can not believe that I spelt "knew" as "new'.

Had to jump in before Pete noticed.

tut

[pete]

I regularly see threads on here along the lines of "you broke the law. Tough."

I've seen a thread where a member was criticised for driving like a muppet and effectively bringing the brand into disrepute! Try that on PH.

But that does not mean that we can not speculate about the motivations of some police. Debate whether it is the officers or the policy which is to blame for poor policing?
Well that is what we are talking about.

I've had awful customer service from SLS and I didn't write about them because I self censored. Not because members were staff but because I didn't want to destroy a single man operation. I told my friends but I didn't broadcast it to the world.

Mrs Pete got nicked for speeding on the M8 @ 1am. There was no justification for that that I understood.
If I criticise that there is no victim beyond a slight tarnishing of the Police reputation. All my experiences of the police in recent years have been at best average. Yet when I was young and daft they were great - to me from my arbitrary position something has changed and changed for the worse. The officers who attended our house when drunks parked their stolen car upside down in our street after bouncing off a couple of gateposts were incompetent. Interested in taking statements more than catching the culprits who were still in sight (hobbling away).

Is this a fault of the individuals or their training or a cultural failing within the organisation? I don't know but I think it is an interesting debate, and not one that needs moderating.

For the record this is an excellent forum due in no small part to it being moderated very well. Are the decision always perfect? Buggered if I know but they are certainly good enough.

Except for Shug. He's a dick.

[meatball]

Robin,

I posted in the absence of any input from your team.
I see there is still no input, albeit things have balanced out since my first post.

I did not single Shug out or imply anything about him. His hysterical burst was of his own doing.

As for what do I want from you now...the answer is nothing.
My expectation was based on my belief that in the past a mod would have put in a word, as per my sls comment but clearly that isnt the case any more.