Lotus SUV Leaked Sketches

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Post by mik » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:13 am

SAJ wrote:if it does for Lotus what the Cayenne did for Porsche then good luck to them.
A little slice of that would be ideal.

Mrs mik loves her 4x4s (her last 3 cars have been Disco3, Disco4, now downsized to F-Pace), the segment is still booming and I can't deny they provide plenty of space for the family. The reduction in arguments when our sprogs were younger as they had ample separation in the back was remarkable....

I have very little brand loyalty, so would consider one based on capability only, As already stated - surely Lotus can leverage the Volvo brand for a platform and work some magic.

If this funds on going Lotus "core" activities - superb. 8)

However.... sketches? That would suggest it is still years away from any reality? :?
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Post by rossybee » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:22 am

Have to agree ref the sketches comment - isn't that for Chinese patent or something to stop/minimise plagiarism?

Indeed a Volvo XC40/60 platform but suitably sportified would certainly work - a different approach (due to volume) but similar end goal as Porsche.

The low volume gives other considerations - would it use GRP panels or steel? Has there ever been any production Lotus with steel body? (early doors handcrafted aluminium excepted, that's just not financially viable)
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Post by Dominic » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:08 pm

There could be a big opportunity for Lotus here - which I doubt they will take, but just suppose they do; an extruded aluminium chassis clad with plastic body panels to give a market first, a lightweight SUV. Would be a big step towards a more eco friendly SUV, which would surely attract a lot of buyers. It would answer the issue of the market demand for SUV and eco all in one package. :idea:

I suspect a Volvo in a Lotus frock is more likely, which is no bad thing, but may miss the opportunity to do something different.
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Post by rossybee » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:37 pm

Dominic wrote:There could be a big opportunity for Lotus here - which I doubt they will take, but just suppose they do; an extruded aluminium chassis clad with plastic body panels to give a market first, a lightweight SUV. Would be a big step towards a more eco friendly SUV, which would surely attract a lot of buyers. It would answer the issue of the market demand for SUV and eco all in one package. :idea:

I suspect a Volvo in a Lotus frock is more likely, which is no bad thing, but may miss the opportunity to do something different.
Lekkie and hybrid too - in keeping with the Volvo trend
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Post by anthonyyule » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:03 pm

XC60 sized - 4cylinder and hybrid.... possible diesel. Basically a Volvo with a fancy frock on as stated above.

Id also guess that it will be build somewhere in China on a large factory line utilising many of the Geely parts bin and "normal" metal panels as opposed to composites.

I think this is further advanced than the "sketch" would have us suggest... and although it may have started life as a Lotus only project its likely to have taken a new turn since the Geely deal was finalised.

I think its brilliant news - cant see any downside in this whatsoever.

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Post by flyingscot68 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:43 pm

anthonyyule wrote:XC60 sized - 4cylinder and hybrid.... possible diesel. Basically a Volvo with a fancy frock on as stated above.

Id also guess that it will be build somewhere in China on a large factory line utilising many of the Geely parts bin and "normal" metal panels as opposed to composites.

I think this is further advanced than the "sketch" would have us suggest... and although it may have started life as a Lotus only project its likely to have taken a new turn since the Geely deal was finalised.

I think its brilliant news - cant see any downside in this whatsoever.
Pretty sure I read that it will be built in China.

Not really a Lotus though is it? Lotus build sports cars.

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Post by rossybee » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:12 pm

flyingscot68 wrote:Not really a Lotus though is it? Lotus build sports cars.
As has been said here, and plenty elsewhere - Porsche built sports cars, but look what the Cayenne and Macan have done, and if it means more profit to develop and build better sports cars, then it's not a bad thing.

Similar with Maserati, Alfa, Bentley etc, SUVs, even diesels!
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Post by flyingscot68 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:51 pm

I never said it was a bad thing, just that it's not a sports car so in my mind it's not really a Lotus.

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Post by rossybee » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Yeah fair point - some might have regarded a Cayenne as not really being a Porsche back in the day.

It's all down to personal perception I guess! :D
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Post by BigD » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:32 pm

flyingscot68 wrote:I never said it was a bad thing, just that it's not a sports car so in my mind it's not really a Lotus.
I’m sure lotus will have worked on other non sports cars suspension etc in the past. Lotus tuned. Was the Lotus Carlton a sports car?

I’d buy one if it was reasonably priced so maybe not new. [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

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Post by flyingscot68 » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

BigD wrote:
flyingscot68 wrote:I never said it was a bad thing, just that it's not a sports car so in my mind it's not really a Lotus.
I’m sure lotus will have worked on other non sports cars suspension etc in the past. Lotus tuned. Was the Lotus Carlton a sports car?

I’d buy one if it was reasonably priced so maybe not new. [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]
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Post by BigD » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:43 pm

flyingscot68 wrote:
BigD wrote:
flyingscot68 wrote:I never said it was a bad thing, just that it's not a sports car so in my mind it's not really a Lotus.
I’m sure lotus will have worked on other non sports cars suspension etc in the past. Lotus tuned. Was the Lotus Carlton a sports car?

I’d buy one if it was reasonably priced so maybe not new. [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]
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Post by rossybee » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:15 pm

Save yourselves a few bob :blackeye

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Post by flyingscot68 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:11 am

rossybee wrote:Save yourselves a few bob :blackeye

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Post by Corranga » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:07 am

Dominic wrote:There could be a big opportunity for Lotus here - which I doubt they will take, but just suppose they do; an extruded aluminium chassis clad with plastic body panels to give a market first, a lightweight SUV. Would be a big step towards a more eco friendly SUV, which would surely attract a lot of buyers. It would answer the issue of the market demand for SUV and eco all in one package. :idea:
Is there any benefit in doing that though? Investing in a market that we know is going to disappear - that is to say, cars that solely use fossil fuels.
It would have to be at least a hybrid, and by the time you add batteries, it's not going to be the lightweight thing you want, and that's before we talk about the current Elise not being all that much lighter than the current mx-5, which is of course a traditional steel build.

Then there is the nature / fragility of the Lotus chassis - if you create it in an SUV that has any hope of going off road...

I think we will see an SUV with an extruded aluminium chassis, I wonder if perhaps it'll be an Aston Martin, and more of a crossover / urban car (without the plastic bumpers!) than a full height 4x4 type thing..

Financially, I think it makes most sense to utilise the Geely / Volvo platforms and make something that looks a bit pretty, and looks a bit Lotus, and hopefully rake in the cash. I think for this to work, it has to look sporty, and probably be nice / a bit sporty to drive, but that might simply mean it rides a little flatter than the competition, and has decent performance. The diehards will complain that it's not a real Lotus. The rest of us will accept that the need for a business to make money and survive is directly related to diverging into other markets.
Porsche 'enthusiasts' complained about the Cayenne, and later the Macan, but let's be honest, they also moaned about the 914, 924, and the 944, and even the Boxster (though oddly, I've seen less complaint about the Cayman).
I think if Porsche resurrected the 356 they'd moan about that, and god forbid they make another 912 - and yet, Porsche still trundle on, perhaps more successful than ever, and I think those who moan are happy with their top end products - the premium paid for a 'GT' badged car seems to suggest this anyway.

Maserati is going through a bit of a change at the moment too. I don't think they know what to do with it tbh. They have an SUV and a diesel saloon which I think make up the bulk of sales. I think part of the issue is that in recent years, they have become the niche company that sell the amazing sounding V8. As time goes on, they have to adapt, the V8 won't be around in the next few decades. I can't help but think that the company famed for wanting to perfect the biturbo - and eventually getting pretty darn close I think) should be trying to do exactly that now - small petrol engines with 2 high boost turbos, and probably a hybrid element - but we live in a world of engine and platform sharing, so this likely won't happen as they strive for a bigger slice of the market with more sales.

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