Footage of carnage at Oulton Park...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAvc0Cij7zA
Feck me.. Outon Park GT Carnage
Feck me.. Outon Park GT Carnage
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It was raining like that for a while, when we were down there a few weeks ago!
These cars looked as if they were on slicks, as they just wern't getting any grip. Presumably the organisers are under pressure as to why they allowed the race to go on in such appauling conditions!
These cars looked as if they were on slicks, as they just wern't getting any grip. Presumably the organisers are under pressure as to why they allowed the race to go on in such appauling conditions!
Paul G
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alicrozier
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I think if I'd been that Marshall I'd have been over the barrier a bit quicker... 
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I know an Oulton Marshall as well, will try to get some feedback from him.
Looked utterly mental. Interesting question re: allowing the race to run...I guess if it's "just raining" they have no obligation to red flag it...remember some of the F1 races where you could barely see the cars on telly (and, if you were DC, nor could you see bright red cars like Schumy's right ahead of you either!!!)
Looked like aquaplane all the way...does suggest slick tyres, yet surely not, unless caught out by a flash shower? Maybe even an intermediate could let go in such wet conditions though.
Campbell
Looked utterly mental. Interesting question re: allowing the race to run...I guess if it's "just raining" they have no obligation to red flag it...remember some of the F1 races where you could barely see the cars on telly (and, if you were DC, nor could you see bright red cars like Schumy's right ahead of you either!!!)
Looked like aquaplane all the way...does suggest slick tyres, yet surely not, unless caught out by a flash shower? Maybe even an intermediate could let go in such wet conditions though.
Campbell
The first spin is at cascades, no big deal, but proves that the track was already slippery before the big crash (unless the film isn't chronological).
The big crash is at knickerbrook, but I don't think the cars should have been going through that way - the cones sitting around the first car to stop make me think that the chicane was in use, so the cars should have being going round the chicane (one car actually does manage to do this!).
So what I find surprising is that so many of them got suckered into making the same mistake - you would have thought that once you could see two or three cars in a pile up in an area you can only get to by outbraking yourself, they would have lifted and braked sooner?!?
I guess that's the difference between me and a racing driver
And the only points I would ever score would be in races where the leaders tripped over themselves like this bunch did
Robin
The big crash is at knickerbrook, but I don't think the cars should have been going through that way - the cones sitting around the first car to stop make me think that the chicane was in use, so the cars should have being going round the chicane (one car actually does manage to do this!).
So what I find surprising is that so many of them got suckered into making the same mistake - you would have thought that once you could see two or three cars in a pile up in an area you can only get to by outbraking yourself, they would have lifted and braked sooner?!?
I guess that's the difference between me and a racing driver
And the only points I would ever score would be in races where the leaders tripped over themselves like this bunch did Robin
Clearly confused about who hit who in the F1 nonsense, but you get my drift!
My Oulton Marshalling mate, Chris, had this to say:
"Oh yes remember it well. The day had started off a bit dull, then brightened up and then all of a sudden the heavens opened and the drivers were caught completely by surprise. Within a matter of seconds the track was as wet as you see within the video.
All the drivers were on slicks, ooooopppps, not good on a circuit as wet as that. As soon as they hit the brakes at the Knickerbrook chicane they just went everywhere.
The two guys you see in the video are both known to me the guy in the black jacket is called Steve and the other is a guy called mike. Mike should have known better than to attempt to go trackside at that point and he was looking after Steve who was at the time a novice marshal.
Fortunately he was not injured at all not even a bruise (thankfully!!!!).
The total cost of the damage to the cars was estimated to be into the millions given that 6 cars were written off completely (at about £250k each) given they were vipers, celines and TVR's and Porsches all to GT race specs. The others were able to be repaired but I guess the bills would have been really heavy. Just glad I was not the one having to pay them."
Robin, I can't be sure but even if the later arrivals on the crash scene had been round once before, I think they get caught out with aquaplaning over the crest approaching the chicane...they are unlikely to know that this is what caused the first offs...so lifting and braking earlier probably don't come into it
Just my 2p. Cracking video, great to see no injuries and clearly 100% entertainment. And if you go racing them GT things, I guess you need to be able to sacrifice the odd £meg here and there eh! Wonder if John Donaldson can tell us any stories like that from Scuderia Ecosse.
Campbell
My Oulton Marshalling mate, Chris, had this to say:
"Oh yes remember it well. The day had started off a bit dull, then brightened up and then all of a sudden the heavens opened and the drivers were caught completely by surprise. Within a matter of seconds the track was as wet as you see within the video.
All the drivers were on slicks, ooooopppps, not good on a circuit as wet as that. As soon as they hit the brakes at the Knickerbrook chicane they just went everywhere.
The two guys you see in the video are both known to me the guy in the black jacket is called Steve and the other is a guy called mike. Mike should have known better than to attempt to go trackside at that point and he was looking after Steve who was at the time a novice marshal.
Fortunately he was not injured at all not even a bruise (thankfully!!!!).
The total cost of the damage to the cars was estimated to be into the millions given that 6 cars were written off completely (at about £250k each) given they were vipers, celines and TVR's and Porsches all to GT race specs. The others were able to be repaired but I guess the bills would have been really heavy. Just glad I was not the one having to pay them."
Robin, I can't be sure but even if the later arrivals on the crash scene had been round once before, I think they get caught out with aquaplaning over the crest approaching the chicane...they are unlikely to know that this is what caused the first offs...so lifting and braking earlier probably don't come into it
Just my 2p. Cracking video, great to see no injuries and clearly 100% entertainment. And if you go racing them GT things, I guess you need to be able to sacrifice the odd £meg here and there eh! Wonder if John Donaldson can tell us any stories like that from Scuderia Ecosse.
Campbell
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Was it Stirling Moss who said he drove harder when there were yellow flags as he knew the others would be lifting off...robin wrote: I guess that's the difference between me and a racing driver
The funny thing about slicks in the wet is that whilst they are still hot and the water isn't too deep you get quite a lot of grip. However, when they cool down and/or the water gets deeper the grip just goes really quickly.
Last year I did a load of laps at Spa in the wet on slicks just to get the feel of it but the scariest bit was going into the pits because the tyres had cooled and all the oil and sh*t on the pit lane made it lethal, what a red neck I'd have had crashing in the pit lane.............................
All you can do in the situation these guys were in is cross your arms over your chest and wait..................................shutting your eyes is optional. Peronally I keep my eyes open coz I am a jammy sod and sometimes you get through without hitting anything and can get on your way
Malcolm
Last year I did a load of laps at Spa in the wet on slicks just to get the feel of it but the scariest bit was going into the pits because the tyres had cooled and all the oil and sh*t on the pit lane made it lethal, what a red neck I'd have had crashing in the pit lane.............................
All you can do in the situation these guys were in is cross your arms over your chest and wait..................................shutting your eyes is optional. Peronally I keep my eyes open coz I am a jammy sod and sometimes you get through without hitting anything and can get on your way
Malcolm