NLC - New CTR

[Shug]

Remember mate, zip ties on the trouserlegs unless you like bees in the undercrackers

[Gareth]

I'm considering one. Yeah, softer than the previous type R's.....hmmm...sounds the same as the way Lotus are going.

[thinfourth]

Remember mate, zip ties on the trouserlegs unless you like bees in the undercrackers

You'll shag anything Shug

[ryallm]

Interesting that the new CTR seems to have polarised the opinions of motoring hacks in the same way the Focus RS did. CAR magazine loved it, EVO thought it was pants. Personally I am more inclined to believe EVO, especially given the step backwards Honda have taken in giving the thing torsion beam rear suspension, though the looks alone kill it for me. You get the impression that the designers tried way to hard to make it look futuristic inside and out, and to my eyes it just looks a bit naff as a result.

Mark

[Gareth]

Interesting that the new CTR seems to have polarised the opinions of motoring hacks in the same way the Focus RS did. CAR magazine loved it, EVO thought it was pants. Personally I am more inclined to believe EVO, especially given the step backwards Honda have taken in giving the thing torsion beam rear suspension, though the looks alone kill it for me. You get the impression that the designers tried way to hard to make it look futuristic inside and out, and to my eyes it just looks a bit naff as a result.

Mark

Well how about this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=16084

[mac]

Torsion beam rear suspension can be great if it's been done properly - the focus owes most of it's handling ability (remember we are talking persepective here) to it's torsion bar (or blade as they like to call it)


Mac

[ryallm]

Torsion beam rear suspension can be great if it's been done properly - the focus owes most of it's handling ability (remember we are talking persepective here) to it's torsion bar (or blade as they like to call it)


Mac

Guess that is true. The best handling front wheel drive car I have ever driven was a Pug 106 XSi which had a torsion beam rear. But unless I am very much mistaken there are a pair of coil springs at the back of my Focus, not a torsion beam I should know - one of the damn things broke and had to be replaced replaced recently

Mark

[CSK_423]

Just back from a blat in one of these, I was just a passenger though Lad from work picked a silver one up on saturday, I liked it, engine note, performance, dash, exterior. He tested a few hot hatches before he decide don the R, the ST was quick but wasn't sold on the handling same with the renault r26 or whatever it is.

[woody]

Torsion beam rear suspension can be great if it's been done properly - the focus owes most of it's handling ability (remember we are talking persepective here) to it's torsion bar (or blade as they like to call it)


Mac

Guess that is true. The best handling front wheel drive car I have ever driven was a Pug 106 XSi which had a torsion beam rear. But unless I am very much mistaken there are a pair of coil springs at the back of my Focus, not a torsion beam I should know - one of the damn things broke and had to be replaced replaced recently

Mark

We're getting all our torsion's mixed up here.

The new CTR has a torsion beam at the rear, an H pattern beam with two trailing arms and a beam that links the rear wheels transversely. Usually sprung by coils springs. It does not have independent rear suspension. Corrado & last shape clio sport are probably best examples of a good torsion beam set up. Cheap, light, easily packaged rear suspension, with no geo change as the suspension is in compression.

Focus has coil sprung fully independent multi-link rear suspension with control blades; i.e. locating trailing arms with a bit of flex. Much more sophisticated and tunable than a torsion bar set-up but is much more costly and can be harder to package. Focus has in essence wishbones and a trailing link at the rear. can be set-up to gain/lose camber and toe as suspension is in compression.

The pug has torsion bar suspension at the aft end. This has two independent trailing arms (like a proper mini) but is sprung by a pair of torsion bars (one on each arm) that sit transversely across the chassis and mounted on a solid frame that also locates the arms. Can give excellent handling in a FWD as the ground level roll center and lack of camber compensation as the suspension is in compression mean the rear is usually quite loose; thus the reputation of your 106, the 205, 306 etc...

My longest post ever... probably Hope it helps. all is AFAIK

[ryallm]

Woody, thanks for the info - bit clearer now! Guess Honda went for a less sophisticated rear suspension on the new Civic for cost reasons - whatever the reason it certainly does not seem to have endeared them to enthusiasts or a large section of the motoring press...

Mark

[Dominic]

Well how about this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default ... ryId=16084

That's more like it Still has the seriously ugly dash board though... pure gimmicky trash.