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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Dark » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:00 pm

I'd buy the Focus - but I might be biased! :)

Have you checked out Wiggle? They have a load of 2012 Focus bikes going cheap!

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/focus/road-time-trial-bikes/

You could get a 2012 Focus Pro 2.0 with SRAM Force / Red & Mavic Cosmic Elite wheels for similar money (not a compact chainset mind!)

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/focus-izalco-pro-20-red-2012/

Edited to say that if I was commuting 100 miles per week I'd probably buy something more 'comfortable' and certainly more durable that could maybe take mudguards.

http://www.lynskeyperformance.com/store ... o-105.html

Hang on, I did just buy one of those! :)
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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by scott_e » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:21 am

Thanks for the reply. First road bike ,need a fitting service so purchase online not an option until i sort that out. Understand what you are saying about comfort , i need to test ride i guess, dont want to be disappointed with a non race bike knowing i could have got a full one. I think i need 3 bikes :lol:

Regarding durability , what can i expect from a race bike ? what degrades, needs replaced and how often.

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Dark » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:26 am

If you're using a road bike every day & in all weather then it will need washing & oiling every week minimum.

Obviously the chain & cassette will need regular de-greasing, cleaning & re-lubricating. The pivot points on the deraillers & brake calipers will also need a regular splash of WD40 to prevent them binding.

In the medium / long term it's the headset that takes the most abuse. Being so exposed they quickly fill up with water & road crud and start rusting. I take the headset apart on any new bike and make sure it's packed with grease. If using in the rain then this needs to be repeated regularly otherwise budget for a new headset each year. Water ingress into the brake & gear cable liners can also cause binding in the longer term.

Water will also find it's way inside the frame, usually down the back of the seatpost. Not a huge problem with a carbon frame but they sometimes have a metal collar to hold a metal seatpost so this needs to be lubed too. The water will accumulate around the bottom bracket unless there's a drain hole, not a problem because these are sealed but it's a good idea to tip the bike up periodically so that any water drains out of the frame holes at the bottom of the seat stays.

Wheels & especially tyres will take a beating. Keep the QRs lubed to stop them rusting. Road race tyres are typically 23mm width and depending upon the tyre have limited puncture protection, especially in the wet when glass seems to magically pass through the tread. They can also be dangerous on wet manhole covers, painted surfaces, etc. Riding in town the main risk is probably pinch flats from hitting a pothole. Keep tyres pumped up hard and consider swapping to a 25mm Continental Gatorskin or similar for winter commuting, a fraction heavier but much more protection.

Always carry a spare inner tube, adhesive patches, tyre levers & mini pump or CO2 canister. You'll need lights for winter and a very good loch for security (which will be heavy!). Spray off the rear wheel will soak your bum, consider getting a set of SKS Raceblade mudguards which clip to any road bike. Shoe covers or waterproof shoes are a must together with a pair of clear glasses to keep the spray out of your eyes even in the dark.

At the end of the day these are light weight race bikes designed to go fast & hard over long distances. Like any bike they need regular maintenance but just expect them to need more if ridden in poor weather, left outside, not cleaned for days, etc, etc.

Of course after a few days commuting you might say 'bugger this' and get back in the car! ;)

In that case find a local group and go cycling at the weekends, much more enjoyable! :)

Cheers, Mark
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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by scott_e » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:45 am

Dark wrote:If you're using a road bike every day & in all weather then it will need washing & oiling every week minimum.

Obviously the chain & cassette will need regular de-greasing, cleaning & re-lubricating. The pivot points on the deraillers & brake calipers will also need a regular splash of WD40 to prevent them binding.

In the medium / long term it's the headset that takes the most abuse. Being so exposed they quickly fill up with water & road crud and start rusting. I take the headset apart on any new bike and make sure it's packed with grease. If using in the rain then this needs to be repeated regularly otherwise budget for a new headset each year. Water ingress into the brake & gear cable liners can also cause binding in the longer term.

Water will also find it's way inside the frame, usually down the back of the seatpost. Not a huge problem with a carbon frame but they sometimes have a metal collar to hold a metal seatpost so this needs to be lubed too. The water will accumulate around the bottom bracket unless there's a drain hole, not a problem because these are sealed but it's a good idea to tip the bike up periodically so that any water drains out of the frame holes at the bottom of the seat stays.

Wheels & especially tyres will take a beating. Keep the QRs lubed to stop them rusting. Road race tyres are typically 23mm width and depending upon the tyre have limited puncture protection, especially in the wet when glass seems to magically pass through the tread. They can also be dangerous on wet manhole covers, painted surfaces, etc. Riding in town the main risk is probably pinch flats from hitting a pothole. Keep tyres pumped up hard and consider swapping to a 25mm Continental Gatorskin or similar for winter commuting, a fraction heavier but much more protection.

Always carry a spare inner tube, adhesive patches, tyre levers & mini pump or CO2 canister. You'll need lights for winter and a very good loch for security (which will be heavy!). Spray off the rear wheel will soak your bum, consider getting a set of SKS Raceblade mudguards which clip to any road bike. Shoe covers or waterproof shoes are a must together with a pair of clear glasses to keep the spray out of your eyes even in the dark.

At the end of the day these are light weight race bikes designed to go fast & hard over long distances. Like any bike they need regular maintenance but just expect them to need more if ridden in poor weather, left outside, not cleaned for days, etc, etc.

Of course after a few days commuting you might say 'bugger this' and get back in the car! ;)

In that case find a local group and go cycling at the weekends, much more enjoyable! :)

Cheers, Mark
Thanks for the reply again Mark. Done a year of commuting on a heavy mountain bike with Marathon Plus tyres , got most of the kit required for all weathers now and maintenance/repair (wiggle is great :)). Its a lighter ride I need ultimately. I would envisage taking the existing mountain bike on the rainy bad weather days and keeping the road bike for dry weather/windy weather. Will definitely need more durable anti puncture tyres , cant get Marathon Plus for road bikes or indeed that level of protection but will need something better than race tyres. The maintenance required is an eye opener.

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by woody » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:32 am

Dark, do you include cartridge type headset bearings?

Asking as I swapped my knackered headset for a cane creek sealed cartridge type in spring. The steering feels much better and I'd assumed this style of bearing should last a while longer.

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Post by Dark » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:53 am

The cartridge style bearings are much better but I would still check they are well greased.
Especially the crown race which sits at the bottom of the steerer tube / top of the fork and transfers the load onto the bottom bearing. This is where all the water & crud gets inside.
I'd also make sure that the back of the cartridge bearing where it sits into the frame is well lubed to stop it becoming corroded into the frame.

My original Focus had 'cartridge bearing inside' written on the headset but when I took it apart 68 ball bearings hit the garage floor.............. :(
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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by thesurfbus » Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:06 am

In 20 years of road cycling I have never had to touch a headset, and I cycle in all conditions, get through a few on the MTB though.
Gatorskins and Crud Road Racer mudguards for the winter are essential.
Get through a few chains/cassettes and rims will wear when riding in the winter, but generally road bikes last for ages.
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Post by Noops » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:01 pm

Doing a bit of battering along the railway just now rather enjoying it. Check out the clip on youtube about Orange Bikes , It is what it is. with Guy Martin the TT Racer he's a modern Fred Dibna :thumbsup
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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Dark » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:59 am

Nice review of the Focus Izalco here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y43V1mDfl98&feature=plcp
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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Gareth » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:05 pm

I too have recently jumped on the success of British cycling and bought a Focus Cayo .
I think I prefer it to MtBing but perhaps it's the achievment of covering far more miles.

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by scott_e » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:07 am

Morning. QQ.

Would like to get bikes for the kids this Christmas. One is 4 soon and the other 3 in May. Have considered Amazon and Halfords but also spotted Tiso have bikes for the £120+ mark. My boys had a wee ride in the shop and all was well.

Is it worth spending £120+ on a bike that they will grow out of quickly (possible within the year, certainly 2 years) ?
Pro-cons of halford/amazon/toys-r-us £50 kids bikes ?

Would get them measured up in a store some where so we get the correct frame size before purchase.

Interested in any advice please ?

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by Shug » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:10 am

I've read recommendations before for buying eBay and selling eBay when they grow out - although you're probably wrong time of year to be buying... Would suggest that a decent quality kids bike will always see demand on the bay of fleas, perhaps contrary to something more 'disposable' - so the cost of ownership when you get to re-selling may well end up lower... Other views may differ.
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Post by scott_e » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:15 am

Thanks for the reply Shug. Not sure if I could be bothered with the work to resell to be honest certainly not on junk-bay. Most of the stuff my kids out grow goes to a younger cousin anyway or in the loft for the "next one" apparently (according to the wife).

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Re: Cycling - NLC

Post by simon » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:41 pm

Anyone signed up for the Etape Caledonia next year? I've entered, never done anything like the distance before and only bought my road bike about 3 months ago so it'll be a challenge. Hoping my fairly decent fitness level and mountain biking help along with a good amount of training :)

Scott, on the bikes for kids, I bought Ethan a First Bike (http://firstbike.uk.com/) balance bike earlier in the year. He was a little small for it to start with (at about 18 months) but is fine now (almost 2). He just walks about with it rather than try to balance yet but that'll come as he gets more confident. Welcome to come and have a look at it if you like and haven't bought something alread. It's made of GRP so very light and seems pretty tough too.

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Post by scott_e » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:57 pm

Thanks Simon that would have been really helpful, unfortunately I have Just this hour purchased a 12" and 16" MTB from Nicholsons :D was not impressed with Halfolds or Toys R us offerings at all so went to a proper bike shop to have a look. About £150 each which was a little more then my original budget but i am much much much happier with the end product :D Planning to empty the garage for Christmas day so they can learn to ride around in safety first before heading down the drive. Ethan is 2 already !!! :D unbelievable ! Good to hear you are into cycling too , its awesome 8)

On the road bike front , think im sold on the Focus Izaclo pro 3.5 2013 compact. Getting a demo bike for a weekend to test, really impressed with the service from Nicholsons.

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