SHAT IT

Novice Racer · Post by **Novice Racer** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:51 pm

As a continuation of my pagids thread ( http://www.scottishelises.com/phpbb/vie ... php?t=8948 )
I decided to give the new pads a good seeing to. Yesterday afternoon, I took a turn down a road I have got to know well over the last few weeks and I am sure a road known to many SErs in the area since it is like a racing track with great visibility round fast 3rd gear corners and a new road surface.

Anyway, its closed about 5 miles in at the moment. I had turned here and was heading back appraoching a sharp right hander with an embankment and a drop of about 20m on the far side. Doing about 60, dropped to third, pressed on the brakes and then began to turn in - nothing. Going too fast, had overbreaked and locked up the fronts without even knowing. Travelled for about 50m in a straight line and realised I was not going to stop before the corner and drop and likely would have plenty of time in the air to think about what I had done wrong before hitting the ground like a dart.

Came of the breaks, got immediate traction but now had wheels on full right lock and obviously no power going through the back. Rear of the car overtook the front and I appeared round the corner going backwards down the wrong side of the road with all 4 wheels locked surrounded in smoke.

Conditions - sunny.
Tarmac - new and bone dry.
Fronts and rears - YOKO AD07s with about 1000 miles done in them.
Pads - Pagid RS42s all round.

So to all the other novice racers out there: Be careful.

NR

Post by ed » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:07 pm

Glad your ok matey! Get yourself booked onto a Walshy day! Pagids are sometimes too good for road tyres event in the dry. cheers Ed

Post by **Shug** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:19 pm

Summary - needs training or autotesting experience.

Glad you got out of it unscathed, but do take the hint the car just gave you

tenkfeet · Post by **tenkfeet** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:22 pm

Walshy's teaches a method for this very experience which saved me.

meatball · Post by **meatball** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:33 pm

I'm gonna try and do some driver training as my limits are well below the cars........

PS might wanna edit the above story to a mate of yours.......or remove the admission of speeding/dangerous driving or change the location to your mates private ground or track?!??
In case the plod are reading this!

ExigeKen · Post by **ExigeKen** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:45 pm

meatball wrote:
I'm gonna try and do some driver training as my limits are well below the cars........

PS might wanna edit the above story to a mate of yours.......or remove the admission of speeding/dangerous driving or change the location to your mates private ground or track?!??
In case the plod are reading this!

NR glad you escaped unharmed.

Nice one Campbell

Very good point.

bertieduff · Post by **bertieduff** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 8:57 pm

Glad it had a happy ending NR...

Keep saying I must book a walshy day, but never getting round to it.

Just so busy at work that I'll probably keep on saying that until the car bites me in the ass...anyone else (or their imaginary friends

) thinking of it soon?

bobnitro · Post by **bobnitro** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 9:03 pm

Yep, count me in for a walshy.

I have not had a pant filling experience of the magnitude of that one yet...... so I should probably pre-empt and try and avoid it before it happens.

Main thing is that you learned a valuable lesson and no harm was done.

Bob

DJ · Post by DJ » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:26 pm

Bought my Elise in November and 3rd time out in it 'a friend' was going round the roundabout at jct 10 on the M9 - next to the big Prudentiual building. It was about 9am, ground was damp and car had original Bridgestones roughly half worn. Not another car in sight so just pressed the pedal a bit before lifting off as they turned into the corner, expecting there might be a tiny bit of lift off oversteer - just to find the limit and intending to catch it in time. 3 seconds later car had done almost a full 360. Luckily all on the road so no damage. Surprised how easily it let go.

So although not connected to Pagids, my reaction was as per the thread title and I looked for some training and got Andrew Walsh's number from the Crail website. Called him but he said he wasn't intending coming up to Scotland for a while.

Have since done a day at kh, but if anyone is intending going down south for one of his days I would definitely be up for it. Like many on this thread, intend to do it but have never got round to organising it.

DJ

Rich H · Post by **Rich H** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:19 pm

Lucky escape... good to hear there was no permanent damage apart from your pants!

bertieduff · Post by **bertieduff** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:42 am

Right...action...gonna book one of the September Walshy days this weekend....if anyone fancies chummin along let me know.....

mac · Post by **mac** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:38 am

meatball wrote: In case the plod are reading this!

Mac

Andy G · Post by **Andy G** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:07 am

Pleased to hear you are okay NR - what you did was pretty much the same move (physics wise) that saw you leave the track at KH. (rapid weight transfer, which through training and experience you WILL react differently to)

Bear in mind with no abs the wheels will lock up easily and the pagids can generate far more stopping power than your tyres can handle, leading to locking up.

Be more progressive with your braking, increasing pressure on the pedal gradually, but firmly if you are pushing on, rather than just instantly jumping on them.

You should try racing with RS14 in the pissing rain - very hard not too lock up!

Andy

MacK · Post by **MacK** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:09 am

bertieduff wrote:Right...action...gonna book one of the September Walshy days this weekend....if anyone fancies chummin along let me know.....

I want to do a Walshy day.

Pencil me in for the trip.

Good of you to offer to organise it.

EliseR · Post by **EliseR** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:39 am

bertieduff wrote:Right...action...gonna book one of the September Walshy days this weekend....if anyone fancies chummin along let me know.....

Me