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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by GregR » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:29 pm

Having seen your Speedmaster on the wrist of its new owner, I can see that the bracelet scratching issue would annoy you mate - it was fecking spotless!!!

Never heard about the scratching issue before. Looking at the bracelet of my Oyster its looking pretty good for its age, having only a few scratches from drink-wall related incidents. Wouldn't have thought the bracelet on the Daytona would be less durable.

I'll let you know ;)
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Neil72 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:40 pm

gorrie wrote:
Neil72 wrote:I am assuming that it comes down to build up of tolerances within the watch itself. The chronometer certification does permit a certain degree of inaccuracy (can't remember the exact figures) which would allow it to lose or gain time over a longer period.
The COSC tolerance is actually pretty wide for an automatic/mechanical movement and most watches would pass it these days.... It's down to the fact that it costs so much to get the certification that a lot of makers (or models) are not submitted for testing.

The quartz COSC tolerance much more accurate than that for auto/mech.

Mine is a chronometer, but it doesn't mean it will keep time any better than a bog standard Tag 2000 auto which is not COSC certified... although, I must say, mine has been a lot better behaved since it came back from Chris Heale for a service/fix....
Had a quick google and found this.....range of -4/+6 secs per day for a mechanical timepiece, +- 0.07 for a quartz.

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The Swiss Official Chronometer Certification
The official Chronometer Certification duly certifies that a movement meets the highest standards of precision and reliability. To earn it, a movement has to go through 16 days of exhaustive, specific tests conducted by a neutral and independent body, representing a true guarantee of quality.

According to the usual definition within professional watchmaking circles, “a chronometer is a high precision watch capable of displaying seconds, whose movement has been tested over a number of days in different positions and at different temperatures, by a neutral, official body. The movements that satisfy the criteria of precision as set out in the ISO 3159 standard, receive an official chronometer certificate.” In Switzerland, the only “official neutral body” able to confer the title of chronometer is the famous COSC (Swiss Official Swiss Chronometer Testing Institute), founded in 1973. In its three official testing offices, (the laboratories of Bienne, Geneva and Le Locle), the COSC, with the help of the ultra-sophisticated equipment developed by its engineers, tests the precision of the movements, which are submitted by the manufacturers. Each movement is individually tested over 16 days, in 5 different positions and at 3 different temperatures (8°C, 23°C, 38°C). In order to obtain the chronometer certificate, a mechanical movement with a diameter measuring more than 20 mm must fulfil 7 necessary criteria in areas such as average daily rate, average variation of rate, the difference in rate between horizontal and vertical positions and the precision of a movement in case of temperature variations. The minimum expectations in particular are that mean daily variations in rate must fall within a range of -4/+6 seconds. Each chronometer is identified by a number engraved on the movement and by a numbered certificate presented by the COSC. Inspired by the ISO 3159 norm, COSC has also established test regulations applicable to quartz chronometers. In fact, only between 4 and 5% of watches produced in Switzerland receive this official certificate each year. In this context, one should note that the COSC tests are static and conducted in a laboratory by simulating wearing the watch. Further, the COSC tests cover only the movements of watches and do not therefore concern their water resistance and robustness, since only the movement is tested and not the fully cased-up watch. One should not confuse “chronometer” with “chronograph” - which signifies a timekeeper that measures time duration.

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by thinfourth » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:44 pm

Strange that the standard for chronometers came in as electronic nav aids started to come in.
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by ruadh08 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:45 pm

Neil72 wrote:
GregR wrote:
A wee fact for those that don't know, Omega is owned by Swatch. Pretty expensive swatches some of you boys have :lol:
I wouldnt use a comparison like that on this forum, as we all know who owns Lotus!!! :lol:
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Neil72 » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:47 pm

Gareth wrote:
GregR wrote:
Neil72 wrote:Incidentally, how long are you having to wait for your Daytona ??
I actually had one with my name on it in the jewellers in April (at retail price, no cheeky premium added) but had to let it go as I'd splurged on a honeymoon :( My jeweller has me at the top of his waiting list for the next stainless steel one that comes in. I'm assured tht I'll have one by the end of the year :)

Cracking pieces of kit, and I can wear it for a year and sell it for at least a grand more than I paid for it :)
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Having worn one a few times I'm not really a fan....braclet easily gets scratched.
But you love it so go for it.
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I think I'll make some enquiries price and availability for buying one in the US of A. I went into a Rolex dealer in Florida last year and was chatting to the woman in the shop who told me (and showed me) a cupboard full of s/s date Submariners. She thought I was joking when I told her there was a 2 year wait for one in the UK. Price wasn't vastly cheaper than the UK (about $5600 dollars IIRC) but I like the idea of shipping in a Daytona from the US, wearing it then flogging it on for a profit........ :cheers

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by GregR » Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:56 pm

careful though, I did some research on flogging on Daytonas and its the UK supplied ones that command the greatest premium. No idea why, but worth bearing in mind! :)
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Gareth » Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:14 pm

GregR wrote:Having seen your Speedmaster on the wrist of its new owner, I can see that the bracelet scratching issue would annoy you mate - it was fecking spotless!!!

Never heard about the scratching issue before. Looking at the bracelet of my Oyster its looking pretty good for its age, having only a few scratches from drink-wall related incidents. Wouldn't have thought the bracelet on the Daytona would be less durable.

I'll let you know ;)
Yeah, Andy got a good 'un. I look after my sh*t! :D

The scratching issue on the daytona...what I mean is the bracelet is polished and not like a brush polish as with the Sub.
SO the high polish bracelet shows up those tiny scratches.

I must stop talking/looking at watches before I end up buying another....

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Caveat Lector » Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:50 pm

Scotty C wrote:
Modena Scotland wrote:
Hi, you want to buy one with pre-set programme with varying times to wind your watches in both directions. Works like 10 mins right wind, 10 mins left wind, 60 mins rest, repeat again.

You should be able to pick one up quite cheaply on ebay. Cheaper they are, more likely for them to brake earlier but I guess cheaper to fix/replace so I wouldn't spend too much money on it unless you want a nice display in your living room (for the thieves :mrgreen: )
Think I might get myself one of these?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOWER-STYLE-DUAL- ... .m20.l1116

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Excellent, thanks. This looks good. I think I'll get myself one of these.
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Gareth » Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:25 pm

Caveat Lector wrote:
Scotty C wrote:
Modena Scotland wrote:
Hi, you want to buy one with pre-set programme with varying times to wind your watches in both directions. Works like 10 mins right wind, 10 mins left wind, 60 mins rest, repeat again.

You should be able to pick one up quite cheaply on ebay. Cheaper they are, more likely for them to brake earlier but I guess cheaper to fix/replace so I wouldn't spend too much money on it unless you want a nice display in your living room (for the thieves :mrgreen: )
Think I might get myself one of these?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOWER-STYLE-DUAL- ... .m20.l1116

Scotty C
Excellent, thanks. This looks good. I think I'll get myself one of these.
I've got one.
Works fine

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by GregR » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:13 pm

Thought I'd resurrect this as I was at me jeweller last weekend and he asked me to try on a Rolex Milgauss. For those (like me) that had never heard of it, here's the puppy:-

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I was offered it at retail (£3,180) and politely declined - not really my thing (especially not with the flash gordon second hand!)

Anyone care to guess what these can be punted on for on the 'grey' market?!??

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by H8OAG » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:46 pm

Anyone care to guess what these can be punted on for on the 'grey' market?!??
Not a lot.......least desirable of the current Rolex range according to some pundits

Have seen them up at £3800......though they would not sell at that
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by GregR » Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:58 pm

hmm, I was told £6k

Saw one on one of these internet rip off sites offering one at £8k. JEweller said it was more desirable than a Daytona to some. Odd.
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Neil72 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:41 pm

Never heard of this model before, and I can't say I like the look of it very much. Colour scheme looks a bit garish.

Who is your jeweller Greg, or is that a secret that you can't reveal ?

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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by Modena Scotland » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:55 pm

I don't like the watch.....
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Re: Watch lovers?

Post by GregR » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:16 pm

Neil72 wrote:Never heard of this model before, and I can't say I like the look of it very much. Colour scheme looks a bit garish.

Who is your jeweller Greg, or is that a secret that you can't reveal ?
More than happy to reveal - its Derek Little of Walker the Jeweller, Union Street Dundee. I can't recommend him highly enough. Not only did he let my mum and wife borrow some very expensive jewellery for our wedding, he gives me a great discount on everything I buy (except the Daytona sadly :lol: ). I'll always buy my stuff from him, even though it means driving up to Dundee to do so :)

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