Driving to Italy...

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by europaelise » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:32 pm

robin wrote: (2) Never enter Switzerland.

You will miss out on a lot of great places if you follow this. I have never had any problems at all (I go there on business a bit).

However, I can appreciate how some people MAY have come to reach this conclusion.... :roll:

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by Mikie711 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:06 am

I have driven through europe to Italy a few times on a bike, never in a car. Don't miss out Switzerland, stunning scenery and some really good roads. Just don't get nicked for speeding!!. And don't enter using their motorways or you will have to buy a years road tax, not the case if you only use their a roads IIRC.
Italy is a different kettle of fish entirely, they are all nuts when behind the wheel. Roads are incredible in the mountains, of which they have loads.
Not really be to Tuscany, more Med and Adriatic (misses loves beaches!!) but fantastic country in so many ways. If I ever leave Scotland it would be to stay there.
Getting there we used the Rosyth ferry a few times and the extra cost was far outweighed by the overnight sailing and 2 hour drive to/from home.
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by J-Man » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:27 am

OMFG, have a look at this! I think the twisties must be far safer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYhTEd9Zfg0
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by robin » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:35 am

My objections to entering Switzerland are nothing to do with the roads, rather what's on them :-)

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by campbell » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:05 am

Like everything else, you need to decide what matters to you most about the trip.

I agree that on one hand, Switzerland is not to be missed from a scenic point of view. But you can do that with a flight to Geneva and a train or car journey into the mountains. On the other hand, no point in adding waypoints to your already long route which are not entirely needed.

Google maps says you can do it via Switzerland in 13 hrs or so, and avoiding (to the east) in 14 or so.

Chuck in a cheeky detour to the Ring (leave the E31 just before Koblenz, looks to be no more than 20 miles off the m-way.

From what I can see, this route will take you into Italy within reach of some cracking passes, not least Stelvio. You can do the western stuff, and the Swiss stuff, another time :-)

What might be interesting to plot is 3 legs and 2 stopovers:

Day 1 - Ijmuiden to Nurburgring
Day 2 - Ring to Italian Lakes/passes
Day 3 - Lakes/passes to Tuscany

...and consider something completely different for the way home, like eastern France or summat. By not overdoing the driving each day, that will help it feel still like a HOLIDAY :-)

Whatever, a great opportunity for you both and look forward to messing about with maps to help you come up with the final itinery!
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by mckeann » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:20 am

I've never been to switzerland, but i know a fair few people who have, and they have all encountered hassle from the locals and the police at varying levels. Supposedly the locals try to stop you overtaking, and Two friends from LoTrdc where invited back to appear in court for speeding and given 1500 euro fines. Personally, knowing how i drive, i would take that as a warning and steer well clear, especially when there are so many other mountains to drive up over

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by Scotty C » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:54 am

I would highly recommend staying in Annecy (South of Geneva in France), its one of the best town in the world for me. From there, there are some of the best roads in the world.
I have done you a quick google map. And lost it :evil: . Try making a route on google map by entering the places below.

Annecy, France - la rochette - saint francois longchamp - D902 - D1091 – Briancon – Vars - saint etienne de tinee - isola 2000 – roviera
You won’t be disappointed.
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by tut » Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:34 pm

Actually it's almost worth going there just to annoy the locals. As you say they do try to stop you overtaking, and they also go apoplectic in both directions if you do, even by a couple of tuts. However if you can be sure that there are no cops around, play at Gatsos, hit them at twice the limit and see how many heart attacks you can induce.

I was fortunate there on a Stelvio, at the back of the group when we came up steeply from a side road onto the main road. Checked the road was clear in both directions, but whether it was the sun/trees/angle, I missed seeing the car on the right and pulled out. Give him his due he took avoiding action but unfortunately that was into the cliff side on his right, saw it in my mirrors but only briefly. Any where else I would have turned around and gone back, but they would have probably hanged me, so I overtook the rest of the group, and fortunately we were not far from the Italian border and nobody could have pinged my numberplate as it was so sudden.

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by hendeg » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:16 pm

Flying over and hiring an Elise SC from Hertz might be an option.

I wanted to do a bit of a trip round the alps last year and weighed up hiring and taking my own car. By the time I took everything into account e.g. additional petrol there and back, tyre wear, LHD/RHD, driving time and a great deal from Hertz, it worked out better to hire.

We picked the car up from Linate Airport (Milan). Drove up to Como and through the lakes - through Switzerland to Chamonix - down to Val D'Isere - Cannes, St. Tropez and Monaco - up the coast and back to Milan.

The Elise is part of the Hertz Fun Collection and only available from a few locations. They have 6 (I think) - all yellow and have Hertz stiched into the seats. We had a bit of a nightmare actually booking it because you can't book it online and when we called they couldn't tell us if it was available - even though it was showing as available online.

I never got round to uploading the photos but this is what we collected at the airport...
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Either way, you'll have a great time. :thumbsup

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by jason » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:17 pm

I must have been lucky. I've hooned the Swiss passes around Furka, Grimsel, etc in a loud Caterham (in convoy with some mates on their bikes one day) and an Elise - and had no contact with authorities or disapproving gestures, etc from folks either time. Not experienced any of the negatives others express here.

But I would avoid travelling through Switzerland by major artery, as their motorways were always very heavily trafficked/congested when we left to come home. Much slower progress than Germany.

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by hendeg » Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:25 pm

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Pauline found it rather amusing that I'd been pulled over in Switzerland and decided to take a pic.

Amusing that was until I got back in the car and told her how much I had to fork out on the spot. :evil:
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by campbell » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:44 pm

I have driven a great deal in Switzerland, although not in the Elise. I like it, quite a lot actually, but I understand the reactions others have mentioned as they are a fairly dour and orderly bunch most of the time. Not so sure that their motorways are always as congested as Jason's post might suggest, but I think the sentiment is clear...their m-ways involve a hefty "road-tax" payment by visitors (the vignette, I think they call it) and if m-ways are all you are using, you may as well go around :-)

Their mountain roads will put most of the UK's best roads to shame in terms of engineering and surface quality, and when you ally that to the scenery on offer, it's not all bad.

If you choose to go haring through the place at or above, let's say "moderate SE pace", then you may well attract the wrong kind of attention. As Neil says, if the way you drive is important to you and you're not up for adapting for a while, steer well clear.

Otherwise, go enjoy. ANY of the passes are worth a look and the run from Bern to Interlaken never ceases to impress me.

All that said, my opinion for Alistair's route is that Schweiz can be done another day :-)
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by BigD » Sun Feb 21, 2010 10:01 pm

jasonliddell wrote:I must have been lucky. I've hooned the Swiss passes around Furka, Grimsel, etc in a loud Caterham (in convoy with some mates on their bikes one day) and an Elise - and had no contact with authorities or disapproving gestures, etc from folks either time. Not experienced any of the negatives others express here.

But I would avoid travelling through Switzerland by major artery, as their motorways were always very heavily trafficked/congested when we left to come home. Much slower progress than Germany.
Yep, me too. I did it with group of evos and subarus and didn't get any hassle. If I'd read all this before hand though I think I'd have been more cautious. :lol:

Is the Road tax not only about 40 Euros, I don't remember it being that expensive. :?

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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by Mikie711 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:00 am

We were 42 euro for the bike about 4 years ago. Not sure what it would be now and weather a car is more expensive.
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Re: Driving to Italy...

Post by jason » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:09 pm

campbell wrote:Itheir m-ways involve a hefty "road-tax" payment by visitors (the vignette, I think they call it) and if m-ways are all you are using, you may as well go around :-)
I've always been a little confused by their road tax payment. On both occasions we've been there we entered Switzerland by mountain pass (one time via the magnificent Splugen) and were not 'given the opportunity' to purchase a sticker. At no point on the rest of our travels were we challenged about the lack of sticker - even when leaving the country by motorway. I knew we needed one to use the main routes, but still have no idea how/where you'd buy one other than when entering the country by motorway :?:

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