Blitz Krieg - mission accomplished - Ring and Spa Nov 2010

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Blitz Krieg - mission accomplished - Ring and Spa Nov 2010

Post by campbell » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:31 pm

Thought it would be worth a fresh thread to collect everyone's thoughts about the recent sortie.

I'm busy catching up on F1 just now, so will do my own writeup and meagre pics a bit later, but here's a quick summary.

:roll: Tut has a moment barely 90 mins into the trip

:oops: Conscious Incompetence at the Walshy Day

:thumbsup Nailed it - new learnings thanks to Walshy. Eventually.

:roll: Walshy and Robin roll in from the Pub at 6. AM. Walshy incoherent. Robin glazed over.

:thumbsup Combination of GPS Gill the Second and paper instructions get us from Ring to Spa without a wrong turn.

:shock: 1st lap round Spa in p!ssing rain

:) Starting to know what I'm doing around here (?!)

:oops: Learning how much I still have to learn

:D 1st scalp - 911 as well!

:damnfunny Entry to Eau Rouge via standing water

:lol: V-max at end of Kemmel straight braking to nearly nothing in 150m

:thumbsup 2nd scalp - Tut (shurely shome mishtake!)

:( Track closed - "heavy rain" (UJI remains perfect in such conditions)

:D Track open again. Have the place to myself. Out of body experiences start.

:lol: Kimi Line through Pouhon, Dom witnesses and laughs a lot.

:thumbsup Hook up the "perfect lap" (for me at any rate) with 25 mins left, decide to quit whilst ahead

:damnfunny :shock: Driving through 2 inches of snow on the M74 from the Beattock Summit to the A70

:tired Bed at 6am. 24 hours after getting out of it in the Burgstube, Nurburg. I must be mad.


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Post by j2 lot » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:55 pm

:thumbsup
That's a bit like the strap lines at the start of the news.
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Post by campbell » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:02 pm

j2 lot wrote::thumbsup
That's a bit like the strap lines at the start of the news.
Coming up on Scottish Elises tonight ........
BONG ...
Only difference is this is news worth hearing. Let's get the stories in full guys. :thumbsup
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Post by mckeann » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:26 pm

j2 lot wrote: Let's get the stories in full guys. :thumbsup



it was quite good fun :thumbsup





















:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by ed » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:26 pm

:damnfunny
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Post by tut » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:38 pm

Campbell, lost you around the M6 Toll road, after being on tractor beam for three days. Got split by a couple of cars, no prob, but then a group of cars went bombing through, put the foot down and thought I had caught you, but it was a Z4 or similar. Felt fine at Knutsford apart from M/W tedium, so carried on following a fast saloon with big bright rear lights, so much easier for me at night especially in bad conditions.

The snow warnings came up South of Glasgow, thought it was an exaggeration until the blizzard hit and I could barely see. Was not worried until it started getting deeper by the inch so caught a lorry up and followed him at low speed. However by the time it built up to four inches of icy snow, I was really worried. The outer two lanes were already too deep so covered, I could not stay with the lorry, had virtually no grip and was sliding all over the place even in sixth, and the lorries and cars were building up behind me. No way that I could pull out of the lorry grooves, then hit a hill and was down to ten mph and sure that I was going to block the Motorway. Just made it over the top, then a lorry came past on the middle lane, and the rest of the lorries followed him, so that was a relief, though the cars had to stay behind me. An Elise in snow is no joke, on 48R's it should be in the garage. Went on like this for miles but I was through the worst, then started going downhill and it changed to sleet and rain. Never want to go through that again. However it kept me concentrated and relieved the boredom.

Rest of the journey was uneventful, just tucked in behind a fastish car with bright red lights. Arrived home at 0700, couple of hours sleep, then watched qualifying from yesterday, and the race now live, with a large Laphroaig, and a Verian special breakfast.

Mucho grateful for the Batman and Robin double act, atrocious conditions but made it easier for me by not leading. Presume that you decided to carry on as well as you were home by 0600.

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Post by neil » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:47 pm

for some of us the trip isn't over. Currently sat in spa watching the f1 with a beer and an f1 car sat in the corner. :D
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Post by Bob vanM » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:11 pm

be glad that the snow was only near home and not in Germany and Belgium :mrgreen:
glad you made it home ok :thumbsup

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Post by ruadh08 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:17 pm

Glad you all had a good time, and all back in one piece. However I have to question the sanity of driving 700 miles plus home immediately after a long couple of track days, long drive down and no doubt a couple of late nights!

For the sake of £49 in a travel lodge on the way home, what are you guys trying to prove?????? You are all bloody lucky to complete the journey without falling asleep at the wheel!

Rant over, but I think you will see the sense in my comments, and as I know you all personally, I was concerned!! Campbell ( mr sensible personified) I was most surprised with!!!
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Post by mckeann » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:29 pm

i think most of the people who drove home had two drivers to share it with. Me, i did it all myself but thats coz i'm mental :wink: At no point however did i feel tired. Maybe its because i work shifts, maybe its because i'm young (ish) but i was able to do it ok, and i wouldnt do it if i thought i was going to die (or anybody else for that matter)

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P.S My plan had always been to drive straight home, but stop in a pikey lodge if i got tired, so i wasnt determined to get home at all costs, just that was my preference.

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Post by ruadh08 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:45 pm

mckeann wrote:i think most of the people who drove home had two drivers to share it with. Me, i did it all myself but thats coz i'm mental :wink: At no point however did i feel tired. Maybe its because i work shifts, maybe its because i'm young (ish) but i was able to do it ok, and i wouldnt do it if i thought i was going to die (or anybody else for that matter)

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P.S My plan had always been to drive straight home, but stop in a pikey lodge if i got tired, so i wasnt determined to get home at all costs, just that was my preference.
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Post by robin » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:50 pm

Well Blitz Krieg turned out to be not a bad moniker for the trip :-)

Left Iddon Towers at 02:30 with the remnants of last nights Crispy Duck packed for emergency rations (for Tut, obviously, not me).

Met up with Stu and Campbell at the new A68 extension as agreed, everything bang on schedule, we left at 03:10. Unfortunately the A68 conditions were poor south of the border. A very light dusting of snow lying on the ground and some heavy rain and winds left the road surface treacherous. Plenty of slippy moments in Campbell's passenger seat (I was glad he was driving as it meant no pressure on me worrying about binning his car ;-)). Campbell was taking it easy, I felt, which was what I would have done too. Unfortunately easy on T1's is not easy on A048's as Tut found out with a slow motion spin that resulted in N3TUT off the road. We couldn't pull her out (absolutely no chance without a winch), and the conditions were too wet and cold to hang about - the sort of conditions people end up dying in up mountains. So we packed everything into the remaining two cars and headed off the Newcastle Airport petrol station - warm, light and dry. Tut called the AA who were fantastic - accidents are not really their problem, but they came to the rescue anyway. Tut had to wait for them, and now he was safe and sound it seemed like we should head south to try to get Stu and Campbell down to North Weald as soon as possible.

In fact, I made a mistake on the navigation and we ended up losing another 40 minutes on the M1, so we eventually got there for 11:00 which meant they missed a couple of hours, but better than nothing.

The usual hooning at North Weald, though it was very cold, horizontal rain and very slippery. The high speed bend was not so high speed (though some were doing it faster than others ;-)). Unfortunately we didn't get time for people to do the test circuit more than once, but it was still fun and there was a hint of competition in the air :-) Tut arrived at 15:00, the AA having pulled him out, and after an extensive test drive he declared N3TUT 100% (i.e. no more wrecked than it normally is).

Then a slow run over to the channel tunnel (QE2 bridge closed due to "high" winds - pathetic southerners) meant it took an hour longer, but we still managed to squeeze onto the correct train. One slight hitch was that I had the keys to Neil's brand new Exige in my pocket, on the train, whilst he and his car were still in the car park. Oops. (reminds me of when I put a fuse back in the wrong place on Tom & Ed's car, then got onto the ferry, only to receive a frantic call saying their car wouldn't start!! luckily I had a laptop with the wiring diagram to hand so could get the car running again before the ferry stopped loading!!). Luckily the platform attendant could radio back to get someone to drive over, pick them up, then bring Neil through with a special escort so that he still got on the train. Sorry Neil!!

A few beers and some grub later, off to bed (for what turns out to be the last time until this morning).

Next morning we have an easy start, 10:30 or so, aiming to get to the ring for around 15:00. Along the way it transpires that Andy, Ronnie & Walshy are already on their way home due to a small problem with the R400 - they had driven through the night to get there and were planning to drive through the night to get back again. It turns out Neil (Mckean) had a spare helmet in the Rangie that he would need for his pal Rab the next day, so I volunteered to RV with the Rangie to fetch it back whilst Neil did the last hour or so of the ring track day. After some crossed wires, I eventually work out where the Power Rangers are sitting in a layby and meet up with them. I persuade Walshy to come back to the ring with us as we can get him in somebody's pax seat (this is where things start to go wrong ;-)).

So back to the Burgstube where we are all staying, and we decide to pace ourselves on the beer given we're off to Spa tomorrow. "Pacing" turns into "1 beer every 15 minutes" :-) Everyone enjoyed dinner at the steak on a stone place and then Ed says "Oh we're just going to the Lindenhoff for a quick one". Most people head back to the hotel after a beer or two, but for some reason Walshy, Gooldie, Stu stay for just one more. I seem to remember that Gooldie was still there at about 02:30 or so, but does see sense and goes to the hotel. Walshy and I get chatting to Renate and Magid (the landlady and her husband) about this that and the other; a whole bunch of locals descend on the place and it turns into a bit of a party. At 03:00 Renate tries to turn the lights out, but nobody will leave :-) At 06:00 we finally leave, just in time for breakfast. Obviously I cannot contemplate driving the car for many hours to come ...

Arrive at Spa by miracle ... the GPS packed up and I was trying to read off the printed google maps notes, which required me to keep track of which instructions I had already used and which ones were still to come - not easy after 1,000,000 beers!! I was reaching the limit of my ability to process when the GPS sparks back into life. I immediately pass out and wake up at Spa :-)

I pax Campbell out for the sighting laps (which I mostly sleep through :-)) and then try to guide him round the circuit and am feeling quite chipper, surprisingly; I manage a 10 second power nap each time up the Kemel straight :-). Campbell makes some good progress, pushing the braking further up the circuit and trying to find the grip, but I decide that after half an hour or so, it's time for a break to let it all sink in. I grab an old jumper and try to find a dry spot in the garage to grab 40 winks. Did I mention that it was raining? :-)

Campbell goes back out a little later, but I'm worried about Walshy and Gooldie - they haven't been seen since breakfast and I cannot raise either of them on the telephone. I had landed Gooldie with Walshy as a pax as he was heading to Cambridge the next day, which means going past Walshy's place anyway. Sorry Gooldie - I owe you one (well many, actually). In the end I'm assuming he eventually managed to drag Walshy out of bed and poured him into the car just to take him straight home. Neither is seen at Spa all day - I do feel really bad about that bit :-(

After lunch I go out with Campbell again and offer some less drunken advice :-)

In the afternoon we get a chance to do an impromptu gaffer make over and toe link repair for one unlucky member - I won't mention names in case there are insurance implications.

That's the end of the wettest day at Spa I've seen ... we pile into the cars and head for the chunnel. Campbell, Tut and I make the 20:42 crossing by the skin of our teeth and some special driving in the chunnel complex ;-) The ape is one train ahead of us and texts us regular updates to warn us of the weather ahead. Campbell and I are struggling a bit (well, me mostly, as I haven't really slept more than 30 minutes at a time for what is turning into 36 hours). I was thinking we would need to stop for some sleep somewhere, but after Campbell's next stint we swap drivers at the M6 toll and I buy a tin of Monster.

As we cross into Scotland, I mention to Campbell that it's the fifth country we've been in that day :-)

Suitably charged, I manage to keep going for enough to do a couple of 80 mile stints, with Campbell picking up the rest.
Campbell drove through the nightmare snow that Tut described ... really no fun at all, but good for the concentration. Once the adrenalin wore off, he was properly tired though, so we gave Hamilton services the best present they deserve (;-)), swapped drivers and we arrived back in Edinburgh by 05:00 or so.

Highlights of the trip:
* Watching Stu & Campbell's faces as they go through the high speed bend with one finger on the wheel and not spinning ... priceless :-)
* Tons of quality chat, mostly beer induced.
* An epic night in the Lindenhoff.
* A rewarding day at Spa for those that drove it. It's a scary place in the wet, and yet you learn so much.

Regrets:
* Not getting some sleep before Spa, and so not driving it myself.
* Andy, UncleRon, Gooldie and Walshy not making it to Spa at all.
* Knowing that we won't do it again until next year :-)

Thanks to all that came - it really was a blast.

Until next time ...

Robin

Paul - we did seriously think about stopping, and that had been our plan all along stop if we got too tired. Had we got another 100 miles to go, I think we wouldn't have continued, but I worked out that from where we were, we each only had to make two stints to get home, and that seemed plausible. Had I been to bed the night before, it would have been easy enough for me by myself (done it a few times before).

Bob - agreed. Belgian motorways are very poor. Torrential rain on the motorway from Spa to Calais (most of which is in Belgium) was really tricky - there was so much spray that you couldn't see anything, standing water everywhere, random pot holes, unlit road signs (what use is a road sign that you cannot see???), etc., etc.
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Re: Blitz Krieg - mission accomplished - Ring and Spa Nov 2010

Post by ed » Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:13 pm

Excellent summary Robin :thumbsup I will take only a little responsibility for the state you were in yesterday! :wink: :lol:

Highlights for me were paxing with D and McApe at the ring, driving the ring, Steak on a Stone, paxing with D and McKean at Spa, Spa in general (cant wait to go back) Driving spa (even though this was just the sighting laps) & Finally getting home just after 2am this morning.

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Post by Dominic » Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:54 pm

Great trip, if a little wet! The gradients on the 'Ring and Spa were both a lot greater than I expected. Both awesome tracks, great company and a great road trip. A big thanks to Kenny for putting up with me throughout the trip.

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Post by mckeann » Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:28 pm

as for the actual trip, it was typical a typical SE affair. I.E Brilliant :D

The weather could have been better, but other than that, it was great fun.

On thursday, myself and my mate Rab drove down to the ring through some attrocious weather. It was a hell of a slog, aquaplaning at 60mph at some points for hours at a time. It was not helped by my Tom Tom deciding that the fastest route was via Spa, then cross country where it found the most bizarre country lanes (that were mainly flooded) to take us on. I was starting to have a sense of humour failure with the damn sat nav by the end, but thankfully my humour was rescued by arrival, steak on the stone, 2 beers and a comfy bed :tired

Friday dawned dry(ish) and the gales had died down. We got down to the carpark at the ring, signed on, and waited 2 hours to get out whilst the sighting laps went on. Myself, frank and Dominique had only paid for the open track from 11am till 4.15pm. Only the very tired :tired Andy G managed to pay the extra 100 euros for the sighting laps, and lived to regret it :lol: . It basically involved driving round behind a pace car doing 20 minute laps. Might have been worthwhile if you had never seen the circuit before but i think Ron and Andy got quickly bored. Ron and Walshy couldnt fit in Andy's new caterham properly and had to take there right shoe off to drive it. This did result in much piss taking, as thetwo of them stood about the wet car park in one shoe, and drew amusing looks from the dutchies. There was something very kinky about taking one shoe off before raping a caterham. I'm sure there must be a specialist website for it.

When we finally got going, i had a couple of tentative laps to see where it was slippy (everywhere). Started to explore with a bit more pace and it seemed to be drying up. Just before i stopped for a lunch break, it was dry for over half a lap down towards Adenau, but as you got higher up it was staying slippy. I took my mate Rab out for 4 laps, Ed for 2, frank for 2. The walshy days boys arrived at about 3pm, and i had time to take out george and his son, kenny and dom, and dominique. All afternoon it was fully wet, and stayed very slippy, but the hardest part was the conditions changed every lap, so you had to drive with a fair bit in reserve ever lap. It was still good fun, if a little nerve racking at times.

Friday night, table for 18 in the pistenklaus, another steak on the stone, another couple of beers, and a shed load more banter. Everybody seemed to like the nurburgring experience, and everybody was looking forward to Spa. I called it a night at 11.30 after a quick pint back at the burgstube. Martin, the owner, is a keen motorcylist and it was great listening to his stories of fast laps. I might be tempted to go back next year on the bike to give the foxhole a go at 160mph :shock:

Saturday morning, and a very early rise to get to Spa in time for sign on. Sitting at breakfast, and i wasnt surprised to see Walshy and Robin. I was surprised however to see that they were absolutely blazing having just strolled up the hill from the pub :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Its the kind of thing you expect of walshy, but it was surprising to see the sensible Robin joining him. Reports of him sleeping on a wet concrete pit garage at Spa are to be confirmed with photos later :thumbsup

Spa turned out to be even wetter than the ring, and on the racing line it was almost as slippy. I've done alot of laps round Spa, but thoroughly enjoyed finding where all the grip was. The early morning laps with big D in hot persuit were great fun. The combination of him and that car was probably the fastest road tyred car on saturday when he wasnt spinning :wink: :lol: Other highlights included following Stu in his VX. He spent all lunchtime telling me how he had forgotten how to drive, then all afternoon flying round like a pro, making me wish i had never mentioned wet lines or kumho tyres to him :lol: I reckon he will have been the fastest driver at Spa today since Donald went home.

the drive home was pretty uneventful until moffat, when there was a huge dump of snow on the ungritted motorway. At one point, i was following the tyre marks of a truck and the snow in the middle was hitting my front clam :shock: the scary part was the heaters inability to keep the windscreen from fogging up and having to contend with that aswell as no grip in the snow.

Theres a shedload more stuff that happened that i've already forgotten, but suffice to say, SE banter nevers fails to dissappoint. I think all the SE'rs that were new to the european trips are now suitably hooked and will be back for more.

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