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Post by Victor Meldrew » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:33 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Oh yes please.... awesome! What time shall I turn up? I'll bring my tools and stuff. Lizzy might be a little overloaded though... :shock:
I,m normally up about 08.00ish. well Megans up around 8ish so we kind of crawl out of bed around that time.

The sooner you get here, the sooner we build it, the sooner we go for a test drive. :D

Will see if I can get in a few alcohol free beers as well.
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Post by Rich H » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:51 pm

Nice one, I'll make sure I have everything before we take the car to bits... that would be silly.... :roll:

I'll set off as soon as I can then, I'll be there around 930-10, if thats ok?
I'm not even going drinking on Friday to make sure I see all of saturday.

Do you need me to borrow anything from work? I'll bring a selection of aquired stuff with me just in case.

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Post by Victor Meldrew » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:49 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Nice one, I'll make sure I have everything before we take the car to bits... that would be silly.... :roll:

I'll set off as soon as I can then, I'll be there around 930-10, if thats ok?
I'm not even going drinking on Friday to make sure I see all of saturday.

Do you need me to borrow anything from work? I'll bring a selection of aquired stuff with me just in case.

Rich
Iv a good selection of spanners and sockets, but my favourite 14mm has gone missing.. probly somewhere in the subframe of the Audi.

No hoists or anything like that but we shouldnt need any of that stuff. I have a good selection of lights etc if it drags on a bit. No probls leaving the car in garage and coming back Sunday to finnish it if need be. Consider any lift sorted..
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Post by Shug » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:06 pm

John Reid wrote:
RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:Nice one, I'll make sure I have everything before we take the car to bits... that would be silly.... :roll:

I'll set off as soon as I can then, I'll be there around 930-10, if thats ok?
I'm not even going drinking on Friday to make sure I see all of saturday.

Do you need me to borrow anything from work? I'll bring a selection of aquired stuff with me just in case.

Rich
Iv a good selection of spanners and sockets, but my favourite 14mm has gone missing.. probly somewhere in the subframe of the Audi.

No hoists or anything like that but we shouldnt need any of that stuff. I have a good selection of lights etc if it drags on a bit. No probls leaving the car in garage and coming back Sunday to finnish it if need be. Consider any lift sorted..
John, can you PM an addy? I'll pop over and lend a hand (make tutting noises ;))

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Post by Victor Meldrew » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:21 pm

anyone else, fancy coming along...

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Post by Derek » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:52 pm

John,

I might pop up for a little while in the morning since I'm just down the road from you.

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Post by Rich H » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:09 pm

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Post by Rich H » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:10 am

Wow. 12 hour shift today.

Many many thanks to John, Shug and Derek for their help, it would not have been posible without you! :beer

The story so far:

Got to Johns at about 10 and things went ok on the dismantling apart form the damn flexi/mainfold joint. Took flipping ages. Few niggly things but nothing serious. Liner stand proud was between 4 and 5 thou we reckon, on all 4 so should *Touches wood!* be ok.

Rebuild went a little wrong however....

Timing marks all lined up, checked, cross checked, rechecked. Marks in the right place. Tensioner allen key hole shears off. Arse. Fudged it with a set of stilsons, seems ok. Turn engine over by hand, great. No problems. Torque up crank bolt... Can we get 210Nm? Can we bollocks. The only way we had for holding the crank was in gear on the handbrake. Great apart form the clutch springs fight you all the way and there is no way to get 210 Nm. So I set about buggering one of the cover plates for the flywheel so I can get a screw driver in. No problems except, while trying to torque the bolt up previously the tensioner was clicking and jumping about.. curious. We thought nothing of it. I eventually jam a screw driver in and it seems to do the trick. Happy until we look to beginning to sort the timing out when we discover a problem of biblical proportions.....

The clicking had been the timing belt jumping teeth, the cams were 30 deg out... The jamming was the valves meeting the piston :shock:

Oh dear oh dear. Very worried about bent valves, bent cam shafts, etc. we had just put 210 Nm through 2 valves FFS.

A bit of denial and mincing later, we decide that there is nothing for it, correct the timing and try again. Bit of fannying about with the cam belt and the cams are re-timed to the correct locations. Turn the engine over and.....


Nothing. Engine is smooth, valves all seem to close, no evidence of bent valves! Feck me, what a relief. Still not out of the woods yet.

Timing the cams, I had a bit of brass rod running in a wooden bock and john had a vernier caliper, a clutch slave cylinder bracket and a small bolt. Together this produced the most Heath Robinson cam timing gear known to man. Crude but after checking 3 times it seemed to be consistant enough. Time is now around 9pm. starting to get a bit dark...

Eventualy all the ancillarys are back on the car and everything is tight. Apiece of the cam belt cover is buggered and had burned being next to the zorts so is left off, along with another bit. But never mind. Boot lid chafes on the VVC manifold, but this will soon sort itself out....

It's time. Key in, power on, fuel pump struggles for moment and fills the fuel line. 5 throttle presses to reset the TPS. Turn on and crank.....




She's alive! Turns over frst time and after 5 or 6 revolutions fires into life! Steady idle at 1200 RPM (Fast idle remember!) get revs up to 2000 for the sake of the cam shafts, look in rear view mirror...

Smoke! Clouds and clouds of smoke! Hang on, Shug and John are not running away... Oh its the bleed nipple for the coolant (Runs above the manifold on old S1s) honking water everywhere. Well thats the coolant bled then...

The only problem that we have found is that the bloody tricky to get to flexi-manifold joint is blowing quite badly. The rest is fine. Oh apart formt he daft heat shield, that is not totally fooked.

What a relief. Hopefully John, Derek and Shug will have some pics of the day to follow....

John very kindly took me home and we start again on the zorst joint tomorrow for the sake of his neigbours...

Again big thanks to the team as well as Leslie for allowing us to play cars all day and the constant stream of tea and coffee!

Rich
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Post by Victor Meldrew » Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:41 am

Just showered and ready for bed.

Well it ran.. not above 2000rpm though. Just waiting for the "crick bang" noise as the revs go higher.

Just need the proper big throttle body and a new exhaust manifold and your sorted.

see you in the morning, forcast is for rain... :? should be ok
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Post by mac » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:59 am

Rich - get used to the increased started time - it seems a function of all tuned cars.


Well done in doing a head in 12 hour too - I help Fd at Lawrences a few years back and we were just under that (would have been quicker had someone trusted me and not double checked that I did all the nuts up properly :roll: )



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Post by Rich H » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:35 am

We would have been quicker had it not been for the piston/valve moment... However I don't see how else we could have got that nut done up!

I can't see why that casting around the bottom pulley can't be modified to allow belt changes without taking the pully off. Seem like a crazy design. If it wasn't for that then you could do a cam belt change in half the time!

After the first start it started a quickly as ever, I don't think it is going to be any worse than before TBH, but we'll see a bit later on....

What I will need to do is borrow Lawrences dial gauges and get a better idea of how accurately the cam timing is set.
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Post by Rich H » Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:44 pm

Well it drives fine but the power is definatly high up the rev scale and mid range torque has definatly suffered. But a 4-2-1 will see that off. The origial manifold was bollocks. The weld was basically intruding 3-4mm into the bore of each primary!

Things left to do:

Oil change
Coolant change
Get and fit bigger throttle
Time cams properly
Get and fit 4-2-1
Rolling Road power run

Then we'll see :wink:
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Post by Victor Meldrew » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:58 pm

Technical weekend turned into the "technical and shed weekend"

Richard, many thanks again for the brushwork.
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Post by Rich H » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:06 pm

:thumbsup

Least I could do is help paint your shed :wink:
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Post by Victor Meldrew » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:12 pm

RICHARDHUMBLE wrote::thumbsup

Least I could do is help paint your shed :wink:
just to clarify... shed = wooden building, :lol: and not scabby mk1 elise
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