Why don't I like Honda K20's

[Scuffers]

This should liven up the afternoon..........

tut

Na, CBA to argue, history has already spoken, he can go on till he is 6' under, will not change the facts.

Just thought I would throw the dynoplot in to gauge the response, and, predicably enough, it only took a few seconds to arrive!

Not sure what's the funniest, the cut&paste irrelevance, or the idea of 600Hp from a bone stock 2L mass-production engine.....

[campbell]

Just thought I would throw the dynoplot in to gauge the response, and, predicably enough, it only took a few seconds to arrive!

Not sure what's the funniest, the cut&paste irrelevance, or the idea of 600Hp from a bone stock 2L mass-production engine.....

Well I don't believe baiting is called for, not on this community at any rate.

By all means debate facts and exchange opinions but can we keep it friendly and well-intentioned. Please.

And Tut, don't feed the flames.

cheers

[Scuffers]

Well I don't believe baiting is called for, not on this community at any rate.

By all means debate facts and exchange opinions but can we keep it friendly and well-intentioned. Please.

cheers

Blimey!

did somebody get out the wrong side of the bed today?

maybe you might want to consider this whole thread as baiting then? (or would you like to offer another explanation for it?)

[BiggestNizzy]

I do not understand why the rover k and the honda are always compared performance wise ,one is a 2 ltr with a six speed box and the other a 1.8 with five gears

Me neither, The K is a stretched 1400, alot of the engineering on the Honda looks cost/mass production related*. I don't beleive for any minuite that the guys that designed either engine where stupid, but each had there own boundries to work within. I understand that there has been alot of arguments over "what engine is best" and I have avoided it so far because I don't care. It's like when I was 12 and we argued about how the Amiga was better than a megadrive, then I had an excuse. I was 12 !

I am currently enjoying this thread and I am interested in the engineering behind it, I want to know what is better and why, why things are done a certain way. examples of good and bad. but please don't let it descend into a slagging match.


*the oil holes are a good example as holes going straight in are easy to make, the holes going in at an angle are a PITA

[tut]

Quite happy for an engineering debate on the pro's and con's of the K and the Honda, but Simon's x2, it must not get personal, that is one of our no no's on the Forum.

tut

[Scuffers]

Quite happy for an engineering debate on the pro's and con's of the K and the Honda, but Simon's x2, it must not get personal, that is one of our no no's on the Forum.

tut

Tut,

not sure who your aiming this at?

may I remind you all that I did not start this thread, I have not named anybody or got personal as you put it.

having been reading this thread for some time now, seems to me the same cannot be said for others, if your going to impose standards, please try and be consistent about it.

[tut]

"he can go on till he is 6' under, will not change the facts."

Would have thought that was fairly personal.

tut

[robin]

having been reading this thread for some time now, seems to me the same cannot be said for others, if your going to impose standards, please try and be consistent about it.

We are consistent.

You are allowed to post technical details and any amount of opinion/fact.

You are not allowed to post abuse.

It's quite simple, I'm sure everybody can understand it.

If you feel abuse has been posted (or reputations besmirched unfairly) then report the post to the mods and we'll do something about it. Don't wade in with your own abuse ... two wrongs don't make a right.

Cheers,
Robin

[foz01]

bone stock

I find that the most offensive, been spending far too much time on the american boards mehinks

[mikeyb13]

Sometimes have to go for a wee run for a reality check. Answer everytime? Yes this car is actually bonkers
Foz 01 would love a wee run and look at your poor K20d Honda to see how much more rubbish mines is. Sure we will run into each other at some event.
Nice graph Simon. Fancy sharing how it was done?

[Scuffers]

If you feel abuse has been posted (or reputations besmirched unfairly) then report the post to the mods and we'll do something about it. Don't wade in with your own abuse ... two wrongs don't make a right.

with respect, where have I wade(ed) in with your own abuse?

(and to cover Tut's comment, that's not personal or abusive, just a statement of fact - ie. you can repeat something as many times as you like, but that does not change the facts).

Sometimes have to go for a wee run for a reality check. Answer everytime? Yes this car is actually bonkers
Foz 01 would love a wee run and look at your poor K20d Honda to see how much more rubbish mines is. Sure we will run into each other at some event.
Nice graph Simon. Fancy sharing how it was done?

I think that's the point, there are *many* K20's out there, and yes some are better than others in their setup/spec's, however, they are all out there delivering for their owners, on the other had we have yet more mythical Kink K engines, rarely seen in daylight, and never fulfilling the promises made.

the tales of woe from people that have chased the 'big power' K series dream is ever longer as time goes by, littered with sad stories of dead cars and empty bank balances.

I appreciate this kind of thing can be a challenge, and it's admirable the efforts and dedication some put into chasing the dream, however, people need to recognise the risks and costs involved, and that there is every likelihood that they will have a dead car and empty wallet before long, you only have to look at how many threads there have been on all the boards over the last 5+ years to realise that not one of them has so far had a happy ending.

You have to ask when the point is that a line can be drawn under this? how many more people need to become victims to the quest?

[robin]

With respect, I didn't say you had. I was explaining the rules and procedures to you because you appeared to be implying that somehow the rules had been broken or applied unfairly.

Assuming you are now familiar with the rules and agree they have been applied fairly then I don't think either you or I will need to make another post on the subject of the forum rules being applied to this thread. If you feel there is something unfair please contact me or any other moderator by PM to resolve - as I explained above, I thought.

Cheers,
Robin

If you feel abuse has been posted (or reputations besmirched unfairly) then report the post to the mods and we'll do something about it. Don't wade in with your own abuse ... two wrongs don't make a right.

with respect, where have I wade(ed) in with your own abuse?

[foz01]

Sometimes have to go for a wee run for a reality check. Answer everytime? Yes this car is actually bonkers
Foz 01 would love a wee run and look at your poor K20d Honda to see how much more rubbish mines is. Sure we will run into each other at some event.
Nice graph Simon. Fancy sharing how it was done?

Will be at knock hill in feb assuming its not snowing

[KingK_series]

I think that's the point, there are *many* K20's out there, and yes some are better than others in their setup/spec's, however, they are all out there delivering for their owners, on the other had we have yet more mythical Kink K engines, rarely seen in daylight, and never fulfilling the promises made.

the tales of woe from people that have chased the 'big power' K series dream is ever longer as time goes by, littered with sad stories of dead cars and empty bank balances.

I appreciate this kind of thing can be a challenge, and it's admirable the efforts and dedication some put into chasing the dream, however, people need to recognise the risks and costs involved, and that there is every likelihood that they will have a dead car and empty wallet before long, you only have to look at how many threads there have been on all the boards over the last 5+ years to realise that not one of them has so far had a happy ending.

You have to ask when the point is that a line can be drawn under this? how many more people need to become victims to the quest?

That is just plain simply not true -

- here is one of mine built 5 years ago, still going strong running out to 9200 rpm on a stock unmodified crank


- this one is in a container being shipped out to OZ to race now -



truth is there has been some catastrophically incompetent engine building done by some tuners, but it does not have to be like that, THAT has always been my point. Your comment here is something you are saying just because it suits you.

[Scuffers]

so, as usual, the same old pictures rolled out (like 2.5 years old at least), zero actual detail, no real data, no results, so basically, nothing.

No change there then.....

Your comment here is something you are saying just because it suits you.

How so?

or are you saying reality does not suit you?