Any planning experts? Specifically outbuildings.

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Post by Sanjøy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:46 pm

glasgowwestie wrote:Maybe you can encourage others that are less directly affected by saying that it might become a 'planning precedent' for both sides of the street, which would mean that they have less power to protest if someone decides to build something similar next door to them?
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Re: Any planning experts? Specifically outbuildings.

Post by Graemei » Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:05 pm

glasgowwestie wrote:Maybe you can encourage others that are less directly affected by saying that it might become a 'planning precedent' for both sides of the street, which would mean that they have less power to protest if someone decides to build something similar next door to them?
Good point to get neighbours a bit further away on side. Think you are doing the right thing remaining calm and polite. Going down the official route is the best option.

I've had my fair share of disputes with neighbours over the last few years (pretty much despise each other, it's fun) and little victories over the course of the years are great, but it's not the best way to live so hope it doesn't end up this way. Also hope the decking doesn't go ahead.

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Post by Dominic » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:03 pm

Failing all that,...

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Post by Stevoraith » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:17 am

So a final update to all this.

Planning has been refused.

Application and all documents are here on the Fife Council site.

Basically, myself and another neighbour objected citing loss of privacy as the main reasons.
He then (after the neighbour consultation period had ended) changed the design to have 2m high solid timber panels at either side of the deck. This would have got around the privacy issue but would have looked pretty terrible from my garden.

The main reason for refusal now is that the "scale and massing" of the decking will have an "overbearing and overly dominant" impact on his property and neighbouring properties.

He's got a right of apeal but I can't see what he could do to change it that would satisfy all aspects of the planning citeria.

Thanks for all the advice and opinions on here, we got to a satisfactory outcome in the end! :thumbsup
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Post by Lazydonkey » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:57 am

:thumbsup

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Post by Dominic » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:59 am

Good result! :thumbsup
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Post by Doc883 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:06 pm

I see they are relaxing the Planning Rules to allow extensions etc to be built without planning permission, recipe for disaster me thinks :shock:
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Post by kerryxeg » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:07 pm

A good result, is he still allowed to keep the outbuilding - even without planning he'd probably still need a building warant? If it needed a building warant there could be a few issues, I've learned through experience retaining walls need a good bit of thought.

Looking at his pictures, I thought the tanking had to go on the outside of the retaining wall, otherwise water pressure can work through the retaining wall negating the benefit of the retaining wall, (so my eng told me - that was for a house which is a tad more important). They also didn't paint the outer block to waterproof the foundation so same result.

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Post by Stevoraith » Tue Feb 14, 2012 12:46 pm

According to the 'report of handling' document on the link, the outbuilding is permitted development (i.e. it's small enough to not require planning permission) so they cannot ask him to take it down.

Whether it requires building warrants etc I have no idea and to be honest I'm not really that bothered as the building on it's own does not really affect me.

It's interesting to know that he may not have built it correctly though- what a shame it would be if his pool table got wet :roll:
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Post by j2 lot » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:16 pm

Good result :thumbsup
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Post by kerryxeg » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Either way I wouldn't think it enhances his own property, looks like a coal bunker

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Post by kenny » Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:07 pm

kerryxeg wrote:Looking at his pictures, I thought the tanking had to go on the outside of the retaining wall, otherwise water pressure can work through the retaining wall negating the benefit of the retaining wall, (so my eng told me - that was for a house which is a tad more important). They also didn't paint the outer block to waterproof the foundation so same result.
Tis fine provided they used frost resistant block, the water can permeate through the block but will still be stopped by the tanking. That said the tanking stops at the base of the wall so unless they lapped in a tanking for the concrete slab the water will still get in anyway.

Tenner says he ignores the lack of permission and puts his deck on anyway.

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Post by kerryxeg » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:02 pm

Tis fine provided they used frost resistant block, the water can permeate through the block but will still be stopped by the tanking. That said the tanking stops at the base of the wall so unless they lapped in a tanking for the concrete slab the water will still get in anyway.

Tenner says he ignores the lack of permission and puts his deck on anyway.
My engineer wouldn't have liked it. He basically said if you don't tank the outside of the retaining wall you might as well have not bothered with the extra thickness, as the water pressure would be acting on the 4" block on the inside. My retaining wall was 1.6m high. The other interesting comment was that the damp course could not be continuous through the wall as this could become a sliding surface. I checked that with a mate who is a site agent and sure enough he'd just been told the same on his job. More complex than I'd have believed, but I can see the logic and it's certainly been effective so far.

I have to agree, I bet there is a load of decking with no railings on order - purely decorative of course.

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Post by glasgowwestie » Tue Feb 14, 2012 3:18 pm

Good result! If anything does go up subsequently that contravenes the application then definitely inform the planning department. At times they don't always follow up minor infractions, but given the lack of development because of the economic downturn, they probably have staff twiddling their thumbs looking for something to do...
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Post by kenny » Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:40 pm

kerryxeg wrote:My engineer wouldn't have liked it. He basically said if you don't tank the outside of the retaining wall you might as well have not bothered with the extra thickness, as the water pressure would be acting on the 4" block on the inside. My retaining wall was 1.6m high. The other interesting comment was that the damp course could not be continuous through the wall as this could become a sliding surface. I checked that with a mate who is a site agent and sure enough he'd just been told the same on his job. More complex than I'd have believed, but I can see the logic and it's certainly been effective so far.

I have to agree, I bet there is a load of decking with no railings on order - purely decorative of course.
No doubt that tanking on the outside is the better detail. In reality on a sloping site you are not going to have a high water table to exert full hydrostatic pressure over the height of the wall and looks like the tanking just stops rather than returning through the wall. It probable wont fall over just leak like a sieve. Looks like someone has plucked some standard old school 'rule of thumb' details and decided that will do. Generally I wouldn't use blockwork retaining walls, far easier just to use concrete.

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