£10k Elise?

[rossybee]

Why does the 190 require rebuilds?

Isn't it basically the same VHPD as in the exige and 340R 190?

[hiscot]

Slightly off topic, but if all you do is lower the FD of a standard ratio box you've gained nothing much other than worse fuel economy on the motorway. The RPM distance between gears is what makes an impact on acceleration, albeit relatively small. The only time this isn't true is when you exactly hit the rev limiter when it's time to brake - in that sole case you'll have fully utilized the power band.

I recently switched back to my original S1 standard ratio gearbox in EGOR and on track at Oulton Park it made no noticeable difference - made a big difference on the motorway though!

Cheers,
Robin

beg to differ on this one robin , will take post to tech rather than clutter this one

[craigs135s]

I could be wrong but am sure the 135 for sale was my old one. I sold to a chap who was on here who then sold it to ED. it had 35k on the clock when I sold it. I had the seats re covered at courbou put the S2 suspension on it and lots of other things. Am sure if you peal the black stone gard you will find some of the paint coming of which was a results of me trying to change the clear ones as they were going yellow but when the pain came of a little I left it on so maybe that's why the owner has put a black one on there.

Dom is correct about it leaving the factory with around 145 BHP. One of the best cars I have owned.

Cheers
C

[woody]

Why does the 190 require rebuilds?

Isn't it basically the same VHPD as in the exige and 340R 190?

Yes, hence it needs rebuilds.

[dirkpitt]

well you could put the 2zz-ge yota engine in it ..i think it would go well and wouldn't need the rebuilds..slightly heavier engine, i know but still ..na' bad.

[campbell]

to Woody

at the risk of dragging KingK across to this thread too...

[Gooldie]

Why are 135's held in such high regard to the similarly powerful, 111s. Are they lighter or better spec'd?

[rossybee]

Thanks woody and Campbell, and I understand your reluctance to re-enter engine arguments of an Eastenders magnitude.

I was just being curious as my K was 200bhp which (in caterham circles) is roughly the point where anything more requires regular refresh/rebuilds...

[tut]

That seems a good price for a 135.

Even has the S_E shot blasted front end.

tut

[Shug]

Thanks woody and Campbell, and I understand your reluctance to re-enter engine arguments of an Eastenders magnitude.

I was just being curious as my K was 200bhp which (in caterham circles) is roughly the point where anything more requires regular refresh/rebuilds...

Caterham Exhaust is a lot less restrictive (cos it can just poke out the side of the car!). I'd bet the 190bhp is harder to get in an Elise engine bay than 200 in a cat.

[woody]

well you could put the 2zz-ge yota engine in it ..i think it would go well and wouldn't need the rebuilds..slightly heavier engine, i know but still ..na' bad.

You could put a Briggs & Stratton in it, but for why I don't know.

[woody]

Why are 135's held in such high regard to the similarly powerful, 111s. Are they lighter or better spec'd?

Rarity and with a few more individual touches (seat pads and the silver roll bar FI).

I think the 135 came first though, which may be whyghly prized at the time.

[dirkpitt]

well you could put the 2zz-ge yota engine in it ..i think it would go well and wouldn't need the rebuilds..slightly heavier engine, i know but still ..na' bad.

You could put a Briggs & Stratton in it, but for why I don't know.

i wouldn’t mock at that woody ...isn't that what Lamborghini did accentually put a farm tractor engine into a car

[campbell]

Why are 135's held in such high regard to the similarly powerful, 111s. Are they lighter or better spec'd?

[ETA - Was unclear below, thanks to Dom for pointing out!]

As well as what Woody says, 135s have the "simpler" non-VVC mech engine albeit that mech seems to have been broadly reliable actually?

Other spec diffs with 111S included better seat bolsters, different front grille (!), slightly wider rims (but same tyres, really) and a small tail spoiler. And CR box as standard.

In many respects the S1 VVC 111S is a hidden gem and I imagine you'd love one of those if you found a tidy one. In many ways they are more accessible, as there were only 100 Sport 135s made. You just missed Ross' red one actually!

See here for everything you wanted to know about Elise models but were afraid to ask...!

http://www.elises.co.uk/models/index.php


Campbell

[Dominic]

Why are 135's held in such high regard to the similarly powerful, 111s. Are they lighter or better spec'd?

As well as what Woody says, they have the "simpler" non-VVC mech engine albeit that mech seems to have been broadly reliable actually?

Other spec diffs included better seat bolsters, different front grille (!), slightly wider rims (but same tyres, really) and a small tail spoiler. And CR box as standard.

In many respects the S1 VVC 111S is a hidden gem and I imagine you'd love one of those if you found a tidy one. In many ways they are more accessible, as there were only 100 Sport 135s made. You just missed Ross' red one actually!

See here for everything you wanted to know about Elise models but were afraid to ask...!

http://www.elises.co.uk/models/index.php


Campbell

Time to dust off my anorak again....

The 135 had a different head to the standard car, with the VVC inlet plenum (but not VVC head), and larger throttle body.

There were 50 135's made in 1998 (some registered in 1999), but they had a few issues with the head. In 1999 Lotus built a further 35, solving the head issues, calling it the Sport 135'99.

The 1998 cars had the same wheels as standard cars. The '99 cars had the OZ racing 6 spoke wheels, that were slightly wider at the rear - therefore needing the extra wheel arch spats.

All 135's have standard front grills, (it was the 111s that had the different grill). The wheels used on the 135'99 were also used on the 111s.

135's were not fitted with a tail spoiler... that was the 111s and 160 (which had extra risers on it).

135's had different seat pads, an alcantara covered steering wheel, driving lights, head light covers, smoked front indicator lenses and a bespoke colour called "quick silver", which is basically silver, with a very subtle blue tint.

Edit; AFAIK 135's also came with a sport's cat.