Independence SE Poll

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Which way will you vote

Yes
35
22%
No
104
65%
Undecided
21
13%
 
Total votes: 160

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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by Rosssco » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:14 pm

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Except in Aberdeen? I guess the bubble will remain...time will tell.
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by Rosssco » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:21 pm

Just as well Sillars will not be involved in any part of our new government.. Will he?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3539754
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Post by Fluoxetine » Fri Sep 12, 2014 4:57 pm

http://rt.com/uk/187344-bbc-scottish-independence-bias/

Watched Nick Robinson's report on the 10 O'Clock News last night, and thought it strange that Salmond refused the chance to go toe to toe with him.

Seems he did, but auntie beeb neglected to report it that way.

(Whether or not Salmond answered his question satisfactorily is up for debate, but he did answer it...Not what was reported).

It's surprising that with all the daily newspapers against independence (I think only the Sunday Herald is for it), and the BBC seeming somewhat skewed too, that almost half the country have indicated they'll vote yes.

Perhaps they don't read papers / watch news reports :wink: :lol:

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Post by j2 lot » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:17 pm

I think a large proportion of the population 60-70% are probably Yes or No votes no matter what so no amount of reporting however biased to either side will be ignored .
The circa 30 % that can be swayed one way or the other are possibly floating votes because they aren't current affairs orientated and don't have an interest in political matters so potentially the news reporting is only serving to affirm fixed voting anyway :?:
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Post by pete » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:24 pm

Fluoxetine wrote:http://rt.com/uk/187344-bbc-scottish-independence-bias/

Watched Nick Robinson's report on the 10 O'Clock News last night, and thought it strange that Salmond refused the chance to go toe to toe with him.

Seems he did, but auntie beeb neglected to report it that way.

(Whether or not Salmond answered his question satisfactorily is up for debate, but he did answer it...Not what was reported).

It's surprising that with all the daily newspapers against independence (I think only the Sunday Herald is for it), and the BBC seeming somewhat skewed too, that almost half the country have indicated they'll vote yes.

Perhaps they don't read papers / watch news reports :wink: :lol:
I think regardless of which side you are on that looks pretty biased...
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Post by David » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:25 pm

I'm not making excuses for what many perceive to be a poor editorial judgement, or just plain bias. But one thing you need to bear in mind is that this was the National News, and that is very different from the Regional News. 92% of the viewers are not from Scotland and don't have a vote. Editorially they wouldn't have had time use a 7 minute response that didn't really answer the question (why should people believe him?). It was a perfect time for Alex to give a short precise statement that would have reached the national audience. But he decided to introduce his own agenda. Those interested in his response are mainly his followers, but they are also a minority (nationally) with only 4% of the UK. But that is why we have a regional News, and I do believe it covered more of his response.

The Regional New is very different where a 50/50 split is aimed to reflect the a make up of the audience. But that balance is not on a 'word by word', or 'answer by answer' basis. Each package, each correspondent, each bulletin, each programme, puts an opinion forward and they, as a whole, try to reflect the opinion of all parties.
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Post by PhilA » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:53 pm

I dont think Salmond did answer the question of why trust him over the people in charge of running their businesses.
He only talked of RBS, not JL, BP or Standard Life which is what the second part of the question was about.
i.e. imho, he spend 4 mins going on about BBC and it being bad

the worst bit, for me, was the people clapping.
It was a formal international press conference. Imagine that at the White house or downing street.
Total embaressment and aimed at having a go at the BBC. Shameful.
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Post by keevster » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:56 pm

Dipper wrote:David
id imagine that most on here are not on the breadline and dont feel inclined to gamble with what they already percieve as a good quality of life. Those with nothing have nothing to lose by voting yes.
Hit the nail on the head!!
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Post by PhilA » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:59 pm

i will get torn a new one saying this... but I am seriously concerned.

I wont mention his name, but if you compare the early nationalist Words (not the delivery, or the future intent), just the words of a well known politician in an european country who managed to very successfully play on nationalist feelings to unite a peoples behind a nationalist movement - to that of some of the words from our FM, it shows how effective nationalist words can be in getting people behind a banner.

To me, that isnt a good thing.

Im not sweeping all Yes people into that statement, of course!! Some people are being persuaded by it tho, ive seen it all over twitter (which ive only really started to use more often to get access to breaking info).
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by OlberJ » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:07 pm

Godwins law strikes again.

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Post by PhilA » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:12 pm

OlberJ wrote:Godwins law strikes again.
:cheers :thumbsup
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by thinfourth » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:42 am

keevster wrote:
Dipper wrote:David
id imagine that most on here are not on the breadline and dont feel inclined to gamble with what they already percieve as a good quality of life. Those with nothing have nothing to lose by voting yes.
Hit the nail on the head!!
I don't know about you but i have the knowledge, cash and experience get the fcuk out of dodge

Those on the dole might not be so lucky

And for those that think Scotland could not get any worse then it is

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/unemployment-rate

Want to bet on that?

Spain has 25% unemployment

Scotland which is a 3rd world bog with massive unemployment and a hugely oppressed population according to team yes is running at 6.5%
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by PhilA » Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:22 pm

I came across this today.
I suggest everyone reads it.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... voting-no/
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by Rosssco » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:51 am

PhilA wrote:i will get torn a new one saying this... but I am seriously concerned.

I wont mention his name, but if you compare the early nationalist Words (not the delivery, or the future intent), just the words of a well known politician in an european country who managed to very successfully play on nationalist feelings to unite a peoples behind a nationalist movement - to that of some of the words from our FM, it shows how effective nationalist words can be in getting people behind a banner.

To me, that isnt a good thing.

Im not sweeping all Yes people into that statement, of course!! Some people are being persuaded by it tho, ive seen it all over twitter (which ive only really started to use more often to get access to breaking info).
Of course we know what you are eluding too. The important bit of the comparison is on message. The Yes campaign have been fantastic, they really have. Engaging, colourful, optimistic, etc. They have sucessfully tapped into our constant requrement for change and renewal, partly by offering the vision of a brighter future, whilst operating an almost anti-establishment vibe (even though we just replace one establishment with another no more virtous), and highlighting all the negative aspects of the existing / old system. This is all nationalism 101.

The problem is that while the campaign is excellent, the actually message, when broken down and deseminated, is actually quite politically regressive, and heavily reliant on sentiment and people maintenance of the 'vision' to the ignorance of facts and reality. They have always felt like the smiling face of something a little more sinister..

Problem is, do we decide the future of the people of the country, on a slick, effective campaign? If the roles were reversed, and the No people had run something similar, the nationalists would have been easily exposed as the short-term, one-aim thinkers they are, and the polls wouldn't have been close. One benefit I will concede, is that the whole process, and the effectiveness of the yes campaign, has shown the rest of the UK / government, that there is desire for change, and has prompted them to act. That's good for us, and the rUK I feel..
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Re: Independence SE Poll

Post by tut » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:18 am

Anybody staying up to watch it?

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