Independence SE Poll

Post by **campbell** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:10 pm

Just watched the Dimbleby interviews. Fairly good job by Mr Dimbleby albeit might have pressed harder in some areas. On both gentlemen.

Never a fan of Gordon Brown, but thought he did better than Mr Darling might have done.

As for Mr Salmond. Didn't answer the question on downside risk, despite being pressed. Far too emotive, with all sorts of name calling. Referred back to Treasury "leak" which has been stated to be normal briefing activity.

Didn't answer question of what if you are wrong with your assertion that there will be a currency union. Twice.

Clever and even fair logic about trading partner status between England and Scotland.

Only concession on post-ref negotiations seems to be the amount of time he'll concede for his demands to be met. How arrogant is that?

And more arrogance with his assertion that "the plain people of England will wish us well".

He's a great speaker, but his arrogance or is that confidence, is insulting.

But in the spirit of fairness, the Westminster mob have woken up to the real threat far too late and their own confidence or arrogance p!sses me off almost as much.

Yours in fear etc...

tut · Post by **tut** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Agree with most of that, thought that Brown put forward a good case.

With you on the arrogance, I do not listen to what he has to say anymore, he grates on me and just want him to shut up. It has got personal now, I want a No vote so that I do not have to watch the opposite on Friday morning.

tut

Chucks · Post by **Chucks** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:14 am

tut wrote:One of the biggest jokes is what we would end up with as The Scottish Armed Services.

Happy to have any Yes voter explain to me as to how that would work, or even what would be the point of it. Protect us from an invasion by the IOM?

tut

Hmmm, that might no be so bad, world class motorsport outside my front door, speed limits abolished outside urban areas & a tax haven to boot. Genius, wish the consequences had been fully explained earlier.

Lazydonkey · Post by **Lazydonkey** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:05 am

Interesting view

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-09-16/i-ha ... eferendum/

Got to be honest but the "the answer is yes, what was the question?" is wearing very very thin.

BT have been pretty appalling throughout the campaign and, like Campbell, I think they've been caught napping..... With the predictable ill thought out response.

Roll on Friday with whatever it brings.

rossybee · Post by **rossybee** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:33 am

My good lady wife, brought up in a very left-wing, anti-thatcher, anti-westminster, working class family, was always gonna be a big fat YES!, I now avoid my in-laws because I'm sick of hearing my my usually meek-mannered Father-In-Law shout abuse at Cameron on the telly, and using the word "Tory" like he's spitting on his own living room floor.

She happened to mention this morning, as I was dropping her at her work (Public Sector), that she was now unsure. I was pleasantly shocked.

Agree with others, I'm sick of it and am now dodging the news.

David · Post by **David** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:35 am

Lazydonkey wrote:Interesting view

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-09-16/i-ha ... eferendum/

Got to be honest but the "the answer is yes, what was the question?" is wearing very very thin.

BT have been pretty appalling throughout the campaign and, like Campbell, I think they've been caught napping..... With the predictable ill thought out response.

Roll on Friday with whatever it brings.

I don't want to invoke Goodwin's law, but the international press are taking away a sinister message about what's happening in Scotland. Whatever the out come, SNP have a lot of work to repair their image with the press.

greyrigg · Post by **greyrigg** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:38 am

I have got to say last night was the first time I have been impressed by Gordon Brown

Being one of the tiny 419,000 minority in Scotland that voted tory (70,000 less than the snp), living in the only tory constituency in Scotland that is a big admission.

I'd love an independent scotland but not like this. Some of these demos look like mob rule and no criticism is allowed, not what I would consider to be true scottish values of tolerance and fairness.

Never trust a party with 'national' in it's name.

I hope there is no trouble at polling stations tomorrow.

Malcolm

jason · Post by **jason** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:56 am

Being an englishman, with english wife and scottish-born son, I have been uncomfortable with much of the Yes campaign since day 1. There is an underlying tone of hate, intolerance and threat - both of a nation (England) and institution (Westminster), but also individuals (named politicians, reporters, etc). From the very top to very bottom.

...contradicts some of the sound bites being used; equality, fairness, etc. It is defended as being passionate debate, which is worrying.

greyrigg wrote:Being one of the tiny 419,000 minority in Scotland that voted tory (70,000 less than the snp), living in the only tory constituency in Scotland that is a big admission.

Facts like that, about democracy, are conveniently whitewashed over for the purposes of the Yes campaign. Salmond has me believing 0% of the electorate vote Tory, 0% wanted a Conservative:LibDem coalition government... "Shhhhh!" said the mob.

Lazydonkey · Post by **Lazydonkey** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:01 am

jasonliddell wrote:...contradicts some of the sound bites being used; equality, fairness, etc. It is defended as being passionate debate, which is worrying.

Absolutely. I was called a traitor the other day for voting no. Doesn't sound fair to me.

rossybee · Post by **rossybee** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:06 am

Lazydonkey wrote:
jasonliddell wrote:...contradicts some of the sound bites being used; equality, fairness, etc. It is defended as being passionate debate, which is worrying.
Absolutely. I was called a traitor the other day for voting no. Doesn't sound fair to me.

As my previous post.

I'm in the minority amongst my wife's family. I've been accused of being "right wing" by one of her sisters

tut · Post by **tut** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:22 am

Never trust a party with 'national' in it's name.

I hope there is no trouble at polling stations tomorrow.

Malcolm

Nice one...........

tut

Dipper · Post by **Dipper** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:42 am

a 'friend' of mine posted this on his Facebook page the other day. i kid you not!

"If you are a scotsman and live in Scotland but are voting no I have no respect for you and never will. if you don't like that then tough sh*t i won't be upset if you unfriend me."

the lunatics could be running the asylum in a couple days time!

Mikie711 · Post by **Mikie711** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:54 am

There is redicalism on both sides of this debate, it is not just the yes campaign that is guilty of it.
Hopefully Friday will see an end to it and everybody will just carry on with the lives.

Dipper · Post by **Dipper** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:08 am

yes of course there is but i do see far more aggression from the yes side(seems to be a trait for those going by blind faith). personally I'm voting no but if its a yes vote ill get behind it and hope it works out. however i think my fb friend and his ilk would consider taking up arms in the event of a no vote!

tut · Post by **tut** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:11 am

Our 63%/23% vote is WAY outside the National Poll average.

Does that make us non represenative as a Group?

tut

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