Independence SE Poll

[Rosssco]

Like I said earlier in this thread (page 28), I sincerely hope the divide in our society heals. It's going to take time. But it shouldn't need to be achieved simply by immediately ceding to pressures from the 45% (another failure to recognise democracy?)

But the 45% would have been higher had they not offered the carrot that's now disappearing

True, it probably was to an extent..

But then you could legitimately claim the overall support for Independance was inflated by the culmination of factors in the timing of the referendum that have been politically advantageous - Unpopular Tory government, fall- out from recent long recession, very poor Labour Party showing propelling SNP to lofty heights..

I think if you stripped out these factors, and the short-term arguments that surrounded them, you'd be back to ~35% as was the maximum average levels of support for Independance that there's been for a long time..

As for Salmond I think he has to go to allow the political process to move forward in some senses..

[tonyg]

Nicola S will make a good leader.

tut

Eh? -she did do something for me however - i was undecided until i saw her performance on the news on Monday and i haven't heard such a load of sh*t and lies since that hypocrite Blair was in office - pushed me straight in to the No line.

[tut]

Found an answer to an earlier question.

"Youth vote
Some 109,533 youngsters aged 16 to 17 registered to vote after being given the chance to do so for the first time.

A snap poll by Lord Ashcroft asking voters how they had cast their ballots found this age group had voted overwhelmingly for independence, with 71% for Yes.

However among the wider 16-24-year-old age group the Yes vote was 51%, according to the poll."

tut

[rossybee]

Found an answer to an earlier question.

"Youth vote
Some 109,533 youngsters aged 16 to 17 registered to vote after being given the chance to do so for the first time.

A snap poll by Lord Ashcroft asking voters how they had cast their ballots found this age group had voted overwhelmingly for independence, with 71% for Yes.

However among the wider 16-24-year-old age group the Yes vote was 51%, according to the poll."

tut

Read someplace that the 16-17yr olds only accounted for 100,000 (give or take a few thou) so less of an influence than I admit to initially being concerned about.

I do believe they should not have been given the entitlement.

So really they had little effect on the overall outcome.

[Rosssco]

[tut]

......but do not lose your head.

tut

[robin]

Tut, the reason to keep voting is that apathy is the door to extremism. You might not notice the difference between Tory/Liberal/Labour combinations, but you will notice if UKIP get in ... (and they are moderate, as extremists go).

Cheers,
Robin

[jason]

Apparently the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express were excluded from Salmond's press conference today. The Guardian declined their invite after the SNP Goverment hand-picked their journalist.

[neil]

Apparently the Daily Mail, Telegraph and Express were excluded from Salmond's press conference today. The Guardian declined their invite after the SNP Goverment hand-picked their journalist.

Can you blame them after the "unbiased" coverage?

[neil]

Tut, the reason to keep voting is that apathy is the door to extremism. You might not notice the difference between Tory/Liberal/Labour combinations, but you will notice if UKIP get in ... (and they are moderate, as extremists go).

Cheers,
Robin

I had been hoping that the main parties would have woken up to the fact after the Euro elections but they've continued with their heads in the sand.

[tut]

I have always voted Robin, and I do not think there is an excuse not to, spoil your paper if you feel strongly, but put your thumbprint on the slip.

I am old enough to remember when there were huge differences between Conservatives, Labour, and Liberals, most of you are not. Now it is mostly a melting pot, so the voters are saying what the hell am I voting for, it is difficult to differentiate between them, so what does it matter which one of them will get in, and in that case why should I bother.

tut

[neil]

Salmond to resign! Well I never . . . .

Today gets better and better!

I'd save the smugness for 12 months time when we see the real effect of the vote

[PhilA]

im soooo relieved!!!
I am still British, still Scottish, and change is coming.
Hopefully once the changes are in place, there will be no reason to blame Westminster or anything with British in the name for anything people are unhappy with in Scotland.

Topped it off with Salmond going. The way he manipulated people, who did not and still dont see it, its been scary to watch.
Once I made my mind up firmly, I was a No - and the longer the Yes campaign concentrated on Bluff, Bluster and Scaremongering, and then threw in BBC Bias - oh, and saying how bad it was that no newspaper came out with an editorial supporting Yes - that was it nailed for me.
The papers choose No as they thought it was best. BBC was not biased, and i felt gave Salmond too easy a ride (be interesting to see the amount of airtime he got compared to others).

Ive posted NOTHING on my facebook feed today. I am not going to rub it in to my friends faces because they are friends and im not like that.
Id contrast that with the 20k people who were to attend the party arranged via facebook tonight in Dundee if yes won.
I did annoy lots of people with my many many posts on fb and on twitter... and actually found twitter to be really engaging for this kind of thing.

So, im sorry to the people who voted Yes and who are feeling blue today.
Westminster has given out all the right vibes today. I personally think there might be some slippage on the timescales, but that it will be delivered, and I dont mind a slip if its a fuller and more thought out UK wide devolution.

I hope everyone gets behind the result of the people of Scotland, and we hold the politicians to account to make Scotland have the powers, and make sure they use the powers to shape our Scotland.

[neil]

You speak like the papers aren't biased. Who owns them?

[Mikie711]

Miliband already back tracking as he has now realised that Labour have the most to loose if you remove that many bums from seats.