electric revolution has fallen flat ... so dont buy electric

[flyingscot68]

Just back from Amsterdam where they're now using the Tesla S as taxis at the airport.
Far too pricey for here though, needs to be significantly less expensive.


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[thinfourth]

how the hell do you value it after 3 years when the batteries are knacked!

Go find me

1 A Toyota Prius with a knackered battery pack

2 A company that has a battery replacement service for the toyota prius


Its been on the market for over a decade so these must be easy to find if the batteries only last 3 years

The prius is a bit of an odd ball in this respect. It uses a massive NiMH battery which it only half charges. The battery is relatively large for the energy it actually provides - remember it's a hybrid so whenever the demand on the engine is more than a a few kW it switches into petrol mode.

For a proper EV you'll need to fully cycle the battery in order to get a reasonable range/weight of battery pack trade off.

Also you'll need to factor in the differences in battery technology. NiMH if properly managed can retain substantial capacity after 1,000s of cycles. LiIon (and LiPo) will lose some capacity on each charge cycle; the LEAF will be masking this by using a slightly larger capacity pack than you can actually use and they will also be limiting charge to somewhat less than maximum, but still the capacity of the LEAF pack will erode faster than the NiMH pack in the prius.

Having said all that, it's perfectly reasonable to assume that with all the electronics and sophistication that goes into making EV battery packs they will last much longer (more cycles) than your mobile telephone or laptop. Nissan are notoriously conservative (I've worked on the fringes of Nissan once or twice, and believe me, they are ultra conservative); they suggest that the pack will last 5 years and retain 80% capacity and that even at that point it will be individual cells (modules) that need replacing, not the whole pack.

Cheers,
Robin

Bring this up again i have got costs for repairing a leaf battery

It has 48 modules in the battery and the software points to the ones that are fooked

A company down south has given me the following costs for fixing it

1. Battery refurb. £1200 for first module + £100 per module thereafter (to get to 90%)

2. Battery swap. Anything from £1500 to £4000 dependant on abailability

3. Charger replacement. Depends if gen1 or gen2. Would guess £1000 for gen1 and £1500 for gen 2 as it is part of the motor/inverter stack (replace the lot)

4. Price to replace inverter Again, £1500 to replace the entire stack

5. Price to replace drive motor Again, £1500 to replace the entire stack

So you can get a battery overhauled for about the cost of a modern diesel lunching its turbo/dmf

So one step closer

[mwmackenzie]

how the hell do you value it after 3 years when the batteries are knacked!

Go find me

1 A Toyota Prius with a knackered battery pack

2 A company that has a battery replacement service for the toyota prius


Its been on the market for over a decade so these must be easy to find if the batteries only last 3 years

I used to know someone with a Honda Insight whos batteries were shagged after a couple of years in Apple fashion, just after the warranty expired, he sold it on pronto.. The cost of the replacement batteries was almost as much as his car was worth at the time

[David]

The Leaf gets a bigger battery . . .

Watch on YouTube

[BiggestNizzy]

Watch on YouTube

[pete]

The Leaf gets a bigger battery . . .

Watch on YouTube

Interesting show generally...

(Exits stage left to book Leaf test drive).

[thinfourth]

The Leaf gets a bigger battery . . .

Watch on YouTube

Interesting show generally...

(Exits stage left to book Leaf test drive).

be ambitious

http://my.teslamotors.com/en_GB/event/t ... dinburgh-4

[scott_e]

Had to post it

Actually tempted by one of these to get back and forward from work.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/ ... &logcode=p


This unique Twizy has a 1 of 1 Renault supplied Lotus F1 2013 paint job. Previously owned by Renault it has been driven sparingly and otherwise garaged. , , Is an amazingly fun run around and drives like a go-kart! , , - includes telephone package., , -, 2 owners, First service is not due, Sports seats, Metallic paint, Alloy wheels, Immobiliser, Driver's airbags. 2 seats, BLACK, £4,500

[j2 lot]

Off to check the charging space availability at work .........

(& test the water with the better 1/2)

[tut]

Would that be allowed on the Motorway with a top speed of 50?

tut

[scott_e]

Good question , I certainly wouldn't want to take it on the motorway. Spotted one in Dundee recently and they are tiny things, HGVs travelling at speed would blow it away.

[pete]

I kind of want one of those. Needs more power.