Brexit.

[pete]

The world's gone mad.

Right does anyone actually want to leave?

And whatever you have decided try not to relate your argument to the SNP.

[neil]

No matter what way the vote goes, I doubt we'll be leaving the EU. The politicians are overwhelmingly in the remain camp so they'd never get it through parliament. In the event of a leave vote I can see another EU "renegotiation" before our esteemed leaders decide to keep us in. Big business has too much to lose to let us leave - they might have to start paying some tax in the UK rather than funneling it through Luxembourg or Ireland.

[r10crw]

I wont to leave.

Has no bearing to any party politics just that I believe it will be better for my family in the longer run and if I have to work harder in the interim so be it.

Having been in many eastern states very recently Im fairly sure where the money is going and its not home. I dont expect the world handed to me, I think you should work for it but when its taken away in taxes Id rather the share we get back is split between fellow brits.

Immigrant side, dont really care. I do business globally and yes it will be tough initially for the European countries we work with but given we have a good model for the world its not a concern. If anything the import restriction I face due to some of our products it will actually be easier.

[mwmackenzie]

Have you seen the exhausts on the Panigale 959, if that doesn't convince you to vote Leave, then nothing will.

Malcolm

Best move over the Atlantic then as the US spec has a more discrete exit

[thinfourth]

The world's gone mad.

Right does anyone actually want to leave?

And whatever you have decided try not to relate your argument to the SNP.

Sadly due to the one i am not allowed to mention we cannot have a debate in scotland without indyref 2 being brought up

Though i find it rather ironic that a party who bangs on about being scotland being able to go it alone believe we should not leave the EU as the UK a bigger country that actually has its own currency and its own bank is unable to go it alone.

As every single argument our great leader puts forward were the ones she was batting away as SCAREMONGERING 2 years ago


My ideal result is an out vote in scotland with the rest of the country voting IN

As it will be HUGELY funny to watch the SNP spin like a top


Remove that lot from the debate then i am completely indifferent as both sides have promised that should we have the wrong result i will be eaten by zombies on the morning of the 24th. i have been to countries outside of the EU and they were.

Countries

just like the UK

But with slightly better weather.



I lean slightly towards leave as i am sick of being called a racist as i want a polish farm worker to be treated the same as a indian farm worker instead of the non racist system just now where the polish farm worker can walk in no problems and the indian farm worker has almost zero chance of getting through the immigration system.

[j2 lot]

What he said/\
I don't know if I will vote as I don't know what way to vote although probably leaning Leave.

[Mikie711]

The best analogy I have seen is if this was a vote to join the EU which way would you vote.

[robin]

I do care and I think there aren't that many upsides to leaving whilst there are plenty of downsides:

On the subject of the cost, it's buttons. The total amount of money paid to the EU after rebate is in the £10bn range. The UK public sector budget is £760bn without interest payments. £10bn won't do much.

The Leave campaign suggest that the recovered money will be spent to improve everything and anything we choose - reduce VAT for poor people, make hospitals better, etc. That makes the £10bn even thinner. In fact if you gave Mr Osborne an extra £10bn today he would simply choose to borrow less - i.e. it would go nowhere, spent on nothing, no improvement in any way, shape or form.

On the subject of immigration, there is no doubt that there are people coming to the UK to benefit from our benefits system. We have a few domestic types similarly minded. I won't deny that we can save some resources by not giving immigrants any benefits. Dave has suggested we can be tougher here after his successful negotiations with the EU (snigger). I suspect he's a bit right, but it won't make much difference. Pretty much all other aspects of immigration are positive I believe, though my high street isn't all Polish/Romanian shops, so I am not worst affected. The downside of "closing the borders" is that (a) the migrant workers will still be needed, so somehow or other we'll have to let them in and (b) what will we do about the millions of EU citizens that will find themselves living in a country they have no right to be in? By the time you've sorted that out, you'll have very little real-world change I suspect.

Trade? Who knows. I tend to think nothing much will change in or out because people want stuff and money talks. Out will certainly mean a short term rejigging of our trade relations with EU - somehow we'll need to preserve the status quo or stop trading with them (both ways). Anyway, it's probably not a big deal either way.

Corporation tax is not an EU thing - so Booble and StarSucks can continue to import/export options in bean futures via a triple-dutch subsidiary with a profit-sapping royalty paid to a Luxembourg holding company whether we're in the EU or not (at least that's what I believe - anyone from HMRC on here?). If our government had any balls at all they would have hit them with a super tax long since (Mr O. got £130m out of Google; Monsieur Sapin got €1.3bn out of them a couple of weeks later; draw your own conclusions on whether our government really cares about collecting corporation tax).

Cheers,
Robin

[robin]

The best analogy I have seen is if this was a vote to join the EU which way would you vote.

Yes. Going on holiday would be easier in the EU than out.

[tut]

I have said it before, the age bracket is a big issue. Most of you can speak from experience on how it will affect your vote from being youngish, young middle, late middle, and barely reaching oldish. I am the only one who can represent the old age vote on the Forum, but who the hell am to represent an average OAP? However the issues will be the same apart from me being better informed than the average voter.

I am happy with the status quo which will remain with In, and what ever your convictions, will change in the short term with Out. This could work out better for the majority of you if you take a chance, and this is how I probably would have voted a decade or two ago. The long term view could be much rosier but you could not guarantee it and you would have to take a chance. Despite what a lot of Flat Earthers think, the speed of light is finite and the future will never been seen.

I still think it should be a reasonably easy decision when it comes to the day, don't make it Political for a start, Parties change every few years, vote In if you are content with things the way they are at present and could well improve, I will, or vote Out if you are prepared to take a chance on a likely short term downturn, but a longer future upturn.

tut

[campbell]

How will Out offer a longer term future upturn? Genuinely interested.

[neil]

How will Out offer a longer term future upturn? Genuinely interested.

And what does "remain" mean? United States of Europe anyone?

[tut]

We don't know that it will make a difference, but why vote for it you do not think it will?

It does not matter your reason, take your choice, Financial, Immigration, Human Rights, NHS, Pensions etc, WHY would you vote Out if you do not think it will make a difference?

Do you hear what most undecided people are saying in the Polls? What we are being told is far to complicated to decide on. So make it simple for them. If you are happy for the way things are then vote In. If you are not and hope for change, vote Out.

It may be over simplification, but if any of you have a shorter, sharper way of putting it out there then I would love to hear it. It has to be short or it will not be listened to or read.

tut

[thinfourth]

WHY would you vote Out if you do not think it will make a difference?

I think a leave vote could be a brilliant opportunity to embrace a new outward looking Britain looking to regain it's place in the world and welcome everyone who wants to contribute no matter their colour.
A force for good, a force for progress, a force for change, a new shiny light bringing peace and happiness through technological enlightenment


However


We will still have that bunch of numpties incharge

Who will find a way to screw it up spectacularly


i don't vote for i think will make things better i vote for the option that is least likely to really screw it up.

[tut]

We have to have a Government to run the Country whatever you think of them, full stop. At present we have two choices of who can do that. Accept that and start from there.

After that you will have very little input on how they run it, so make the most of running your own life, which I presume is pretty much what most of us do now.

tut