Brexit.

[pete]

This is a picture of Scuffers (the bear Scuffers) that I took this afternoon whilst he was presumably contributing to this thread.

I can not say for certain whether this is the same Scuffers although all the evidence I have suggests it might be.

[pete]

Lol - and what makes you think it won't crash and burn whilst we remain?
Fear of the unknown was what kept mankind thinking the world was flat until 1450.

The ancient Greeks knew the world was spherical.

A new dawn voted for by people whose knowledge of history is based on nursery rhymes. Splendid.

[PhilA]

Fear of the unknown was what kept mankind thinking the world was flat until 1450.
Leaps of faith can result in good things too and I for one believe our little Island will always prosper as we are innovative, agile, flexible, and if all else fails, bloody good at drinking ourselves silly to forget about the mistakes.

u could argue that fear of the unknown ... future status and concept of the EU ... is driving some to fear the worst.
u could argue that the leap of faith .. of people working together, sharing common issues by living them, would drive the EU to be the entity it should be.

I get that you fear that EU will become a selfish unaccountable EU nation state. I get that UK can survive on its own.

the thing for me is - this world is gonna doom one day soon because of selfish governments, and selfish choices.
Sharing and knowledge openness is the 21st century "thing". More so than technology - they are just the enablers.
People want more knowledge, want more sharing of that.

I get the SNP vision of separate nations working together, ahh, with rainbows and unicorns and forever sunsets.

However, in the real world, the internet came about by a need of others working together, because they shared a common issue and a common goal - and they invested in that pain and success together.

To me, same is the EU, and can be replicated in other continents - share issues, work out solutions and share success.
Creating ur own network and not making it work for all is time-limited lifespan.

We can compare/ draw parallels with Star Wars.
Empire = EU.
Rebel Alliance = the good guys.
EU becomes massive machinery and someone (a Sith) takes over - omg, we in ruins and cannae get rid of them. Clone (maybe even truely) wars.
Rebel Alliance are fighting for a cause, to defeat the machine.
How to stop the EU becoming a machine that isnt accountable - I guess that is the EU issue - if that were not there, then surely more UK would agree to Remain more easily.

So, 500mil people - I wonder how many are feeling the machine is the issue too. Are we saying that the machine is too powerful, its unstoppable, so we have to get off now as its doomed - a Sith is coming?
Fear of unknown - sharing of issue - leap of faith that we European humans can solve that issue?

My rambling are maybe random, I apologise, kinda, but its the way my brain works.

Have fun - am smiling here, if u want to know the emotional side

[thinfourth]

The more i think about it the more i realise both sides are utterly full of bull.

Remain side say that we will instantly be thrown into the dark ages and will be engaged in world war 3

Leave side say that we will be completely swamped by immigrants and it will be the end of democracy as we know it (though not convinced that is a bad thing)


I am utterly pissed with both sides as they are stuffed to the top with out of touch idiots

So

Give me a reason not to draw a large cock on the ballot paper along with an few choice swear words

[mxvx]

The more i think about it the more i realise both sides are utterly full of bull.

Give me a reason not to draw a large cock on the ballot paper along with an few choice swear words

I can't think of a reason. Go for it!

[David]

I'm not a great fan of political comments on social media but every now and then it's worth grounding the arguments with some knowledgeable and well articulated input - in this case by Liverpool University.

https://www.facebook.com/UniversityofLi ... nref=story

[BiggestNizzy]

Alot has been said about the EU and democracy.

nice peice about it here
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-be ... democracy/

[j2 lot]

Haven't read much of this thread as we're just back from a holiday. We were asked and had some discussions with people from other member countries as they are keen to know our intentions and how things are progressing. There is a fear in other EU areas that if the UK leaves it will instigate the collapse of the EU

[PhilA]

The more i think about it the more i realise both sides are utterly full of bull.

Remain side say that we will instantly be thrown into the dark ages and will be engaged in world war 3

Leave side say that we will be completely swamped by immigrants and it will be the end of democracy as we know it (though not convinced that is a bad thing)


I am utterly pissed with both sides as they are stuffed to the top with out of touch idiots

So

Give me a reason not to draw a large cock on the ballot paper along with an few choice swear words

Ive a mate who is doing pretty much that.
Doesnt want to leave, but does want a change - I guess if most people did that then some Special Circumstances would need to kick in?

[Scuffers]

that's pretty lame...

there are all sorts of stupid assertions made by all sides, the trick is to recognize them and ignore them.

Just because somebody uses a bogus argument for an option, whilst their argument is worthless, does not automatically mean the option is not valid.

I do not like the tone and some of the arguments the Leave.EU side spin, for example, their stance on the first step of winning out with respect to Artical 50 is laughable, but that's not going to change my view about what OUT means.

I am also not a fan or Borris, but this referendum is not about him or anybody else, it's about in or out, the fact they are on the same side as my views is just incidental.

I formed my view on the reality of the EU and where it's heading, not on what XYZ said.

[campbell]

Drawing on the ballot may feel fun, but it just goes down as a spoilt paper. Unlikely to achieve much!

Now, if you wrote a nice poem, that might catch the RO's eye

[j2 lot]

Trust me - the ones with dicks drawn on then catch the eye way more than poems or comments. In some elections they are put up on screens and the candidates view them to agree they're spoils. The rude and colourful ones are often the highlight of the night

[renmure]

Post 2. Sunday 21st Feb

I haven't got a scooby and I doubt that any of the debate (other than on here, obviously) is going to enlighten me in any measurable way.

Well, I was half right

[kenny]

Drawing on the ballot may feel fun, but it just goes down as a spoilt paper. Unlikely to achieve much!

Now, if you wrote a nice poem, that might catch the RO's eye

A friend who has worked as a poll clerk/vote counter told me recently that a cock and balls fully inside the box against one candidate or vote option would be counted.

[j2 lot]

Drawing on the ballot may feel fun, but it just goes down as a spoilt paper. Unlikely to achieve much!

Now, if you wrote a nice poem, that might catch the RO's eye

A friend who has worked as a poll clerk/vote counter told me recently that a cock and balls fully inside the box against one candidate or vote option would be counted.

He was wrong - it wouldn't be an indication of preference - the voter may be indicating his least favourite candidate. It would need to be presented to all candidates and if they all agreed it was a first preference and the Returning Officer was confident it wouldn't be challenged it would then count
All spoiled papers go for adjudication and there are some pretty desperate attempt to 'claim' votes