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Re: Brexit.

Post by Scuffers » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:41 pm

Dark wrote:
Corranga wrote:also forgot to add that I think we have too large a deficit to join the EU anyway..
The deficit just got 10-20% larger with the devaluation of the pound....

I'm currently in China, the government here seems quite tolerant and liberal compared to the majority in the UK at the moment............
more tosh..

currently the $/£ is at 1.3757, down 7.49% on the close of yesterday, and 2.4% down on it's early April value, it looks like closing the day just shy of 1.4

how does this boost the deficit? or do you mean boost the national debt? and even if you do, please explain how by your 10-20% figure?

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Re: Brexit.

Post by BigD » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:43 pm

thinfourth wrote:
campbell wrote:Cameron could have been brilliant to take the UK through the exit process. Given his standpoint, he could have been a strong adversary to whatever might the EU boffins try to deploy on little Britain.

Instead we might have Farage and Johnson ballooning their way through in yes-sir, no-sir fashion. The mind boggles...
I think johnson is far smarter and harder then the cuddly wild haired buffon he plays


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I think cameron would be useless as he is fine no matter what happens

He is a multimillionaire with his eyes on an EU job

He would give us an utterly awful deal and be delighted to of wrecked the UK as revenge
Agree again. Boris is no fool and maybe we need someone harder to deal with the EU.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by BigD » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:46 pm

Scuffers wrote:
Dark wrote:
Corranga wrote:also forgot to add that I think we have too large a deficit to join the EU anyway..
The deficit just got 10-20% larger with the devaluation of the pound....

I'm currently in China, the government here seems quite tolerant and liberal compared to the majority in the UK at the moment............
more tosh..

currently the $/£ is at 1.3757, down 7.49% on the close of yesterday, and 2.4% down on it's early April value, it looks like closing the day just shy of 1.4

how does this boost the deficit? or do you mean boost the national debt? and even if you do, please explain how by your 10-20% figure?
Also comment today that if the £ is weaker then inflation will be higher and hence inflate our way out of the debt quicker.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by kenny » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:50 pm

Did not see that coming.

The meltdowns on social media today had me checking the sky wasn't falling in, then I got into the office and the doom and gloom was off the scale.

In the end I shouldn't be that surprised, the remain campaign made a total arse of it, I genuinely don't think the wild claims on either side helped, the 'dats wacist!!!11' meme aimed at the bexiters is particularly grating and may have had the opposite effect to that intended.

So what now, well shock horror Queen Nicola has re-engaged the neverendum, so yet more instability and uncertainty. 'kin great. Not that anyone is remotely surprised. I think if it does happen, I hope that is soon if it does, then the result will be a lot more unequivocal, just not so sure which direction it will go yet. I would personally only allow it on the basis that if it's a no vote then yessers have to shut the f*** up for the rest of eternity and abstain from posting cretinous pish on facebook.

I did think this morning that the EU would piss their pants and come up with a panic deal to convince the UK to stay and force a second EU referendum on whether to accept but I think that's looking less likely, quite a few bullish GTF comments coming out.

I voted to stay by the way. Was in the leave camp for a long time but SNP sabre rattling for indy2 had me wanting the status quo just to hopefully shut them up and create confidence for investors in the Scottish market, sadly The Krankie has ruined that for the foreseeable future.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by BigD » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:54 pm

I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by kenny » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:56 pm

BigD wrote:I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.
No we just have the same referendum ad infinitum till the yessers get the result they want. Apparently, in their minds, that's how democracy works.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by thinfourth » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:07 pm

kenny wrote:
BigD wrote:I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.
No we just have the same referendum ad infinitum till the yessers get the result they want. Apparently, in their minds, that's how democracy works.
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Re: Brexit.

Post by Sanjøy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:22 pm

GregR wrote:I met a hugely intelligent, learned man today that voted leave. He (and others) had/have their reasons.

I hope they're right.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by Stevoraith » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:15 pm

GregR wrote:I met a hugely intelligent, learned man today that voted leave. He (and others) had/have their reasons.

I hope they're right.

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I spent a good proportion of today arguing with him but I respect him for the way he voted.

He educated himself about the choices he had and, although he picked different points to focus on than I did and believed different things than I did, he made an informed decision.

The result would sit easier with me if I felt that 52% of the country had made an informed decision like him.

Unfortunately I think a large proportion voted without understanding what they were really voting for.

I sincerely hope I am proved wrong in the way I voted and the people who voted with their guts and little else are proved correct.
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Re: Brexit.

Post by campbell » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:40 pm

thinfourth wrote:
I think cameron would be useless as he is fine no matter what happens

He is a multimillionaire with his eyes on an EU job

He would give us an utterly awful deal and be delighted to of wrecked the UK as revenge

Well I disagree. Especially as there will be no EU to take a job in. But never mind. Let's talk currency :-)
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Re: Brexit.

Post by kerryxeg » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:57 pm

I haven't got a clue whether Brexit is a good thing or not, but the EU seemed too have a plan to stick their tentacles into everything, so perhaps this will act as some form of reality check.

The important thing is what happens next, and how the exit is planned. It will hurt some and help others, almost inevitable.

The EU statements looking for an urgent exit seem a bit premature and hint at toys out of the pram.

As for ourselves, the scots want to be in the EU and in the UK, seems consistent. I can see why leaving the EU will annoy the independent campaigners, because it make independence more difficult. Sudden talk of a new independence vote seems like opportunism rather than logical.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by pete » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:42 pm

BigD wrote:I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.
If we'd done that this time there wouldn't have been a referendum.
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Re: Brexit.

Post by kenny » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:02 pm

pete wrote:
BigD wrote:I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.
If we'd done that this time there wouldn't have been a referendum.
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Re: Brexit.

Post by Scuffers » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:32 am

pete wrote:
BigD wrote:I think we should have a referendum on whether or not there should be a referendum.
If we'd done that this time there wouldn't have been a referendum.
based on what?

Bexit has been on the agenda for years, and nothing the SNP have done/said changed that.

interestingly, on the scottish reff, some 3,623,344 voters turned out (84.59%) 1,617,989 of which voted to leave the UK, Thursday, a similar number (1,661,191) voted to stay in the EU, and only 1,018,322 to leave, ie, the much lower turnout was exclusively the leave vote.

I suspect if there is another reff, people will turn out again and it will be lost for a second time.

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Re: Brexit.

Post by Stevoraith » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:49 am

It's not as simple as that, independance supporters didn't automatically follow the SNP party line and vote to remain, in fact the vast majority of my 'yes' voting colleagues voted to leave the EU.

The lower turnout was, in my opinion, because people didn't have a clue what they were voting for.
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