Evora Sport 410

[j2 lot]

I'd take a 410 over a Porsche no question, but I would struggle with parting with that much £ to do so. I would save £20k and get a 400 or hold off for a couple of years to see what the 2020 Elise offers.

Horses for courses. 911 offers 4 seats for the kids and glacial depreciation in comparison. Also at that level of coin I look at the dealer network and stability of the company in the background. Don't get me wrong OPC support is far from stellar. But that's just me.

Don't have kids so don't need the seats. My last Lotus was depreciation free ( only had it for 11 months), the one before that was just over £500 a year in depreciation over 5 years and I buy because I want the car not because it's safe money.
I know I may be in a minority but a Porsche simply isn't on my wish list.

[rossybee]

Over and above all this, you look far more of a c*nt in a 911.

[Sanjøy]

I'd take a 410 over a Porsche no question, but I would struggle with parting with that much £ to do so. I would save £20k and get a 400 or hold off for a couple of years to see what the 2020 Elise offers.

Horses for courses. 911 offers 4 seats for the kids and glacial depreciation in comparison. Also at that level of coin I look at the dealer network and stability of the company in the background. Don't get me wrong OPC support is far from stellar. But that's just me.

Don't have kids so don't need the seats. My last Lotus was depreciation free ( only had it for 11 months), the one before that was just over £500 a year in depreciation over 5 years and I buy because I want the car not because it's safe money.
I know I may be in a minority but a Porsche simply isn't on my wish list.

Good point I should have been clearer, I reckon a box fresh £85k 911 will depreciate slower than a £85k Evora.

[Scotty C]

I'd take a 410 over a Porsche no question, but I would struggle with parting with that much £ to do so. I would save £20k and get a 400 or hold off for a couple of years to see what the 2020 Elise offers.

Horses for courses. 911 offers 4 seats for the kids and glacial depreciation in comparison. Also at that level of coin I look at the dealer network and stability of the company in the background. Don't get me wrong OPC support is far from stellar. But that's just me.

just a shame about the MPG

[Sanjøy]

I'd take a 410 over a Porsche no question, but I would struggle with parting with that much £ to do so. I would save £20k and get a 400 or hold off for a couple of years to see what the 2020 Elise offers.

Horses for courses. 911 offers 4 seats for the kids and glacial depreciation in comparison. Also at that level of coin I look at the dealer network and stability of the company in the background. Don't get me wrong OPC support is far from stellar. But that's just me.

just a shame about the MPG

I deserved that.

This thread did make me look on autotrader and for 85k you are in 997.1 GT3 with 30k territory....

[PhilA]

id have evora over 911 - while a porsche is nice, for me the passion and sound of the evora 410 is what id be wanting everytime i drove the 911.

in engineering terms, the evora wins, its engine is in the right place.

not sure id choose a 410 over a 400 as I prefer the styling of the 400 - not a fan of stripes
am impressed by the aero development of the 410 tho - so 400 styling in a 410 and sure id choose it.

just need to make something others want enough and ill exchange that income for an evora

oh, and if a roadster evora with that sound comes along - i may end up going extreme ways of earning income to drive one! lol

[Lazydonkey]

just a shame about the MPG

To be fair i think he's now getting figures that start with a 2....

[mxvx]

just a shame about the MPG

To be fair i think he's now getting figures that start with a 2....

That's better than me...

[Scuffers]

in engineering terms, the evora wins, its engine is in the right place.

really?

parked at shoulder-height over the rear drive-line?

why do you think the suspension is so hard? that's to counter the stupidly high COG brought about by the engine location (to make way for the joke back seats).

you can slag off the 911 all you want for being rear engined, but the simple facts are, it works like that, they have spent the last 50 years perfecting the 911, the idea it's some kind of handling nightmare is almost as laughable as the idiots that tell you all Audi's understeer.

Look, I love my Lotus for what it is and how it works, ie, a light, proper mid-engined 2 seat sports car, the problem is the Evora is none of that, it's a car designed by a committee to try and be everything to everybody, and this us not a winner of anything, which would be OK if it was priced accordingly, but at £85K is a joke.

As I said before, I will likely never own a Porsche, they are just not me, however, on paper, that's what the Evora is up against, a Cayman is £25K cheaper.

There are a lot of great cars under the £85K price point, hell, a Nissan GTR is under £80K, once again, not my bag, but for the money they are stupendously good cars.

[Shug]

Great this arguing over opinions, eh, Simon?

FWIW, I've never driven my missus' Evora and thought the suspension was particularly stiff and the "joke" rear seats that actually accommodate our 2 year old are the reason we still have a Lotus, or a sports car at all.

Clearly you've got something against the car as you don't get the compromises made on the platform that make it perfect for others (us included). Fine, cool, but doesn't mean others viewpoints are wrong. They are viewpoints.

The competition at the pricepoint - keeping it in NEW cars - yep, you can get a nice 911. Yep, you can get a GTR. Try running them for what you can run an Evora on. Despite them being more expensive to run than Elises, they are a different league from 911s other cars in that bracket - it does count. Again - someone else might think that running costs don't come into it at that purchase price - that's another viewpoint

[Scuffers]

Great this arguing over opinions, eh, Simon?

Clearly you've got something against the car as you don't get the compromises made on the platform that make it perfect for others (us included). Fine, cool, but doesn't mean others viewpoints are wrong. They are viewpoints.

Yup, you're not wrong.

My beef is that they made compromises that simply did not need to be made, and ended up with a car that's simply over-priced.

If the Evora was a £35-55K then I would have less of an argument (although the design is still over-compromised).

I guess for me personally, I still mourn the lack of the M250, it was then and still is today, the car they should have made (along with a new Esprit!)

The other point I would make is this, look at the Mclaren M4-12c, what is Lotus's excuse for NOT building that car?

[mxvx]

Great this arguing over opinions, eh, Simon?

FWIW, I've never driven my missus' Evora and thought the suspension was particularly stiff and the "joke" rear seats that actually accommodate our 2 year old are the reason we still have a Lotus, or a sports car at all.

Clearly you've got something against the car as you don't get the compromises made on the platform that make it perfect for others (us included). Fine, cool, but doesn't mean others viewpoints are wrong. They are viewpoints.

The competition at the pricepoint - keeping it in NEW cars - yep, you can get a nice 911. Yep, you can get a GTR. Try running them for what you can run an Evora on. Despite them being more expensive to run than Elises, they are a different league from 911s other cars in that bracket - it does count. Again - someone else might think that running costs don't come into it at that purchase price - that's another viewpoint

+1 - I don't find the suspension 'stiff' at all. The ride and handling is one of its finest attributes.

You cannot put a price on the rarity either, not as well made perhaps but looks much better and much more positive attention than a 911 in my experience.

[Scuffers]

+1 - I don't find the suspension 'stiff' at all. The ride and handling is one of its finest attributes.

compared to what though?

get your arse in a Mclaren then tell me what you think.

for me, that is the benchmark, it's ride quality and handling are just poles apart from anything else out there, it manages to have light and subtle handling, low roll, etc whilst still having the compliance better than a Rolls Royce, it's truly astonishing.

Yes, the Evora's handling is pretty good, but to achieve this they have had to spring it really stiffly and rely really heavily on ARB's etc, try driving down a line of cats eyes and tell me it's not intrusive, do that with the Mclaren and it's dam near imperceptible.

[Shug]

Not really comparable - semi active suspension on that. What was a 12C new? £170K? You'd have to imagine Lotus couldn't hack nearly £100K off that price.

How does the (still over £100K) 570S do with more traditional springs and dampers?

Genuine query as I've not been lucky enough to try either.

Oh - and neither have two back seats - which believe it or not matters to more Evora owners than you'd think.

[mxvx]

compared to what though?

5 series.