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Post by roadboy » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:29 am

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RICHARDHUMBLE wrote:IIRC there are different stock engines, JDM (Jap Domestic Market) engines are more powerful standard.

May be talking utter sh*t though...
I think it's more to do with Scuffham's ECU and exhaust tuning. Both kits use EU engines as standard AFAIK.
What he said, Its all down to exhaust and mapping.

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p.s. JDM engines are more powerful as standard but are not ideal when it comes to supercharging.
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Post by mckeann » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:30 am

The power and torque differs with manifolds and mapping.

Geary originally offered a 500 quid wager for any other conversion company to try and make more power but i see he has changed his website now :wink:

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Post by tenkfeet » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:45 am

Thanks for the very valid advice guys , I think I came to a similar conclusion last time I had Hondaitus . More training and track days it is then , well for this summer . I will see how things go and review later in the year . My heart often over powers my brain as the Honda engine is an amazing bit of technology . I know I want one but the issue is would I be able to get the most from it without crashing , thinking about it the answer at the moment is no .

Dan I will come down and pay you a visit at some point .

I am honestly surprised the engine is worth so little.

Jkelly , when I get my hands on the cash I will send you a PM , dont need top spec as its not for the Elise :lol:
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Post by tut » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:47 am

Interesting to see that Sinclairs is not an approved installer, but good to see that Dan is on the list.

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Post by mckeann » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:54 am

I think that although the honda will make anybody quicker, you are much better being on the limit of the standard car before you upgrade. If your not, get some driver training in.


Tut, the reason Sinclaires arent on the list is because they have developed there own kit. This is what me and Walshy use. He will definatley be racing his SC car this year in LOTRDC so i suppose that will show which is the better kit.

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Post by ed » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:58 am

Surely specific corner speeds are the same though?!
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Post by Shug » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:58 am

mckeann wrote: This is what me and Walshy use. He will definatley be racing his SC car this year in LOTRDC so i suppose that will show which is the better kit.
Surely it'll show who's the better driver (barring mechanicals)

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Post by mckeann » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:07 pm

ed wrote:Surely specific corner speeds are the same though?!

ALOT of people who have the honda end up going slower through the corners. Partly because you cannot just get to the apex and stamp on the throttle, you need throttle control. Also partly because its much harder to judge your braking distances from 20mph faster at the end of a straight.

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Post by hiscot » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:25 pm

If you can wait there are a few devolopments around the corner
one is the chinese have sourced this engine and rummered they are going to fit it to the mgtf poss with a six speed box but may take 2-3 years

http://paultan.org/archives/2005/09/04/ ... utomobile/

with 1.8 = 200 bhp
2.0 = 220 bhp
2.2 = 250 bhp

judd made a nice road going vvc at 210 bhp for rover and it would make an intresting engine conversion plus their road engines are a lot cheaper than their track engines

[img][img]http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/971/judd20zrxam5.jpg[/img][/img]

there may be another tuned 1.9 k in the near future not a schollar

but what the k realy needs is a six speed box

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Post by Andy G » Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:25 pm

mckeann wrote:I think that although the honda will make anybody quicker, you are much better being on the limit of the standard car before you upgrade. If your not, get some driver training in.
Totally agree with Mckeann on this one. There are also loads of things you can change prior to going to such an extreme length and cost, which will help your speed, your confidence in the car, and your ability.

I've changed my S2 to run on Exige wheels with A048's - reduced understeer and improve grip massively.
I've changed the pads to Pagids - which have improved braking, eliminated brake fade, and performed at a far more consistsent level during laps.
I've changed the suspension to the Exige suspension, which is better for track, although rougher through town.
I've had the geo set-up changed, which I SO much prefer to the way it was. It has given me loads of confidence, and handles more as i wanted it to. I prefer it still to any of the Elises/Exiges I've driven.
I've done 4 driver training sessions, 2 with Walshy and have found that they helped enourmously. Confidence and car control have improved, which results in being quicker and hopefully safer. It also awesome to see what the car can do in the hands of someone with a lot of talent to spare, and lets you realise how much harder you can go and how much the car can help you!!

Once you then feel you are cornering & braking really well (a good indicator here is if you are being caught through duffers or not at KH by some of the quicker SE'ers) then it may be time to take it further.

Not saying this is the way to do it, but i've also learnt from spending time on track with some of the exeprrienced Se crew which helped in the early days.

I've been in a discussion on a related them recently, and I would far rather ensure I'm driving the car to its limits before upgrading. As they say, power is nothing without control. :roll:
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Post by jamie » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:08 pm

On the Question of 1k price difference between a Link up kit and Sinclairs I did compare the two and they include different things as standard and the options are priced differently. In total there is not much between them but that is spec dependent

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Post by GregR » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:17 pm

Throwing in a cirve ball here...

if you're running a 111S of low mileage, why not sell that, and buy a S1 Exige/111R/S2 exige? total conversion costs - £5 or £6k? Still get the revvy engine and 6 speed box. Also has the benefit of being an out of the box car therefore no worries selling on to a newbie if you suddenly need to release the cash. I know the Honda is faster, more power etc, but isn't that the difference between mad and madder?

best of luck mate, but I'd think long and hard about throwing a wad of cash at the issue :)
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Post by mac » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:20 pm

It's the S2 - as featured in his avitar :wink:



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Post by GregR » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:21 pm

correct - the monicur 111S is valid for S1 and S2 variants Macsimus ;)
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Post by mac » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:23 pm

Your total cost for conversion suggests you were thinking it was an S1 at the time of writing :?:


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