There's no SVA requirement for a heaterRICHARDHUMBLE wrote: How about an SVA compliant electric heater?
there is though for a screen demister hence the heated screen comment where no heater exists
Snetterton - Result
My reading of this is that pretty much the bodywork and interior of class A cars must remain at a standard level - i.e. the minimum spec you could have ordered a new car (even if your car wasn't ordered that way) - less anything that is explicitly mentioned in the regs.
I don't know what the lightest class A car on the grid is, but I think that targetting the "PTP170" spec of 170BHP and 750kg is much easier and more practical than the "120" spec of 120BHP and 680kg. The reason being that (a) the former has much better power-to-weight ratio and (b) you will struggle to stay within the published regs and get an S1 down to 680.
Of course there may be someone that knows all the tricks that can get an S1 down to 680 within the regs, but then it will almost certainly make it less easy to drive the car to/from each venue also.
Hence I think we'll weigh Andy's car with the roll cage and f/x chucked into it and see what it weighs (compensating for fuel). Then look at reducing weight back down to the 750 limit.
For Neil in class B the situation is much trickier. To be competetive and stay within the regs he needs to reduce his weight to 630kg. Clearly that is never going to happen but it's here that I think we need to scratch our heads the most to try and get his weight down within the class B regs.
Cheers,
Robin
I don't know what the lightest class A car on the grid is, but I think that targetting the "PTP170" spec of 170BHP and 750kg is much easier and more practical than the "120" spec of 120BHP and 680kg. The reason being that (a) the former has much better power-to-weight ratio and (b) you will struggle to stay within the published regs and get an S1 down to 680.
Of course there may be someone that knows all the tricks that can get an S1 down to 680 within the regs, but then it will almost certainly make it less easy to drive the car to/from each venue also.
Hence I think we'll weigh Andy's car with the roll cage and f/x chucked into it and see what it weighs (compensating for fuel). Then look at reducing weight back down to the 750 limit.
For Neil in class B the situation is much trickier. To be competetive and stay within the regs he needs to reduce his weight to 630kg. Clearly that is never going to happen but it's here that I think we need to scratch our heads the most to try and get his weight down within the class B regs.
Cheers,
Robin
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My understanding is that that very few cars are to BHP per ton and min wieghts. Here are the wiegh in results
http://www.lotus-on-track.com/forums/vi ... p?tid=3061
Here is a quote from Simon S Quoting the rules
It should be clearly understood that unless a modification or removal/change of an item is
specifically permitted by these regulations, that any modification or removal/change or
repositioning of an item is prohibited. The provision of evidence to determine eligibility is the responsibility of the entrant/driver at all times
I would see what happens it seems like their are a few cars in each class which come out better than others eg the Ford powered one in class B. They have been adding balast to cars to try and make the grids a bit more level eg 20kgs if you have an Exige! Although class C is just Sinclairs vs Link up and its a pissing match!
I would def have a chat with one of the guys on the tec pannel to see where they are.
http://www.lotus-on-track.com/forums/vi ... p?tid=3061
Here is a quote from Simon S Quoting the rules
It should be clearly understood that unless a modification or removal/change of an item is
specifically permitted by these regulations, that any modification or removal/change or
repositioning of an item is prohibited. The provision of evidence to determine eligibility is the responsibility of the entrant/driver at all times
I would see what happens it seems like their are a few cars in each class which come out better than others eg the Ford powered one in class B. They have been adding balast to cars to try and make the grids a bit more level eg 20kgs if you have an Exige! Although class C is just Sinclairs vs Link up and its a pissing match!
I would def have a chat with one of the guys on the tec pannel to see where they are.
Good result Neil 
Can't get my head round this handicap thing, I am a bit simple and think fastest should win.
I have never raced at Snett but I do test there quite a bit. You need a good engine for the straight (longest in UK) and a car that can change direction well with good balance on the corner before the chicane so that you can keep on the power. If you can get a car to go well round there it'll go well anywhere, that is why it so popular for testing.
Keep up the good work.
Malcolm
Can't get my head round this handicap thing, I am a bit simple and think fastest should win.
I have never raced at Snett but I do test there quite a bit. You need a good engine for the straight (longest in UK) and a car that can change direction well with good balance on the corner before the chicane so that you can keep on the power. If you can get a car to go well round there it'll go well anywhere, that is why it so popular for testing.
Keep up the good work.
Malcolm
Jamiejamie wrote:My understanding is that that very few cars are to BHP per ton and min wieghts. Here are the wiegh in results
http://www.lotus-on-track.com/forums/vi ... p?tid=3061
My car is now 751kg after getting it race prepped. Now sure how Steve Williams got about 20kg out of the car after adding the cage etc. 20kg was removed by me taking the stereo out
My car is probably 135bhp, so about 180bhp/tonne - quite a bit under the 227 limit.
Not sure. Its difficult to remove stuff from a class a car as we want to keep them looking like road going cars still, well its the same for all classes, but people have been adding silly wings (but within the regs).jamie wrote:Nice work
It all depends on where you want to be in your class. I'm having as much fun at the back of the grid as the others are at the front. I would have to get a PTP170 or similar kit to be at the front of A. Is it worth spending £2.5k on the k-series???
All we need to the factory to give us 30 odd cars to race in
If they did that they would all be written off in the first raceGrahamW wrote:
All we need to the factory to give us 30 odd cars to race in
I agree with you on racing is fun without being in class C and spending a fortune!
Think thats what the Ginger R needs - a bit of aero work
Has there been much discussions over S1s running hard tops from an aero point of view vs the extra wieght?
Not really, Snetterton was a big power circuit and I did think of fitting mine, but could be arsed to get it out from under the bed - just as well - otherwise it would have got a bit burntjamie wrote:GrahamW wrote: Has there been much discussions over S1s running hard tops from an aero point of view vs the extra wieght?
Wheel arch liner was melted, bit of soft top is crispy (but nothing to worry about) some of the wiring shielding was fried, lucky no cabling damage. I will have to install a new heat shield now as its a bit warmer in the cabin. Think you only get one go with the heat shield.jamie wrote:Did you have much damage?
Hi folks, thanks for all the well wishes, i am well chuffed with my weekend, considering the circumstances.
It was a bit of a baptism of fire, being sent out in qualifying having never driven the circuit, and having to get used to the race rules/overtaking, learn which way the track goes, try to get up to speed, and find a bit of clear track to try and get a fast laptime. In the end, i just concentrated on getting as many laps in as possible, rather than trying to find space to set a time, so my qually time wasnt great, but other than steve williams, i was only 0.6 seconds behind the rest of my class. I was pretty happy with that and thought i could make that up in the race.
First race was amazing. Bit of a blur to be honest, and dont remember that much. Grid was packed, first corner i got pushed to the outside and lost a place, got a better exit from the second corner though and got it back. At the end of the straight there were 3 abreast, but skeggsy spun in front of my group, so chaos ensumed, sending cars everywhere. The next 10 laps i spent dicing with Russ Treasure in his SC rotrex honda exige. He had 370bhp, so was rev limited to 6000rpm. it meant he got out of the corners very well, but his his limiter in 6th gear 3/4 of the way down the straight. Meant we swapped places twice a lap, but it was good fun regardless. He had a probelm at midway and dropped out. 2 laps from the end, i started to catch the other NA honda elise, who had dropped his VTEC, and was slowing down, he deffended well, and made it difficult to pass. Eventually i went round the outsideof him into the esses, only for Nipper to spin in front of me, and him to get back through. No worries i thought, get him next lap, but we crossed the line with the chequered flag waving. arse. never mind, good race, had fun, still in one piece. I had absolutely no idea where i had finished, as after skeggsy's spin on the first lap, i had lost sight of the leaders. drove into parc ferme to find out i was 3rd in class, 6th overall. well shuffed.
Second Race was a bit of a faff before it started. Its a handicap system, so theoretically, everyone has an equal chance of winning. Its based on your best laptime in qually and the first race. Somehow, i was starting at the back of the grid, despite being slower than thos infront of me. I was starting 15 seconds behind AJK, who beat me in the first race, and beside steve williamjs, who beat me by a lot in the first race. I asked for clarification, got it, the handicapper admitted there was a mistake, but it was too late to change it, so i started form the last group. The actual race was fantastic, lots of overtaking, lots of dicing, i managed to battle my way up to 17th, but that was as good as i was ever going to manage with the handicap the way it was. had i started in the right group, 15 seconds ahead, i would have been 3rd in class, and 7th overall. Never mind, i know i was robbed, and its one of many excuses that i have to add to my book now
It was a bit of a baptism of fire, being sent out in qualifying having never driven the circuit, and having to get used to the race rules/overtaking, learn which way the track goes, try to get up to speed, and find a bit of clear track to try and get a fast laptime. In the end, i just concentrated on getting as many laps in as possible, rather than trying to find space to set a time, so my qually time wasnt great, but other than steve williams, i was only 0.6 seconds behind the rest of my class. I was pretty happy with that and thought i could make that up in the race.
First race was amazing. Bit of a blur to be honest, and dont remember that much. Grid was packed, first corner i got pushed to the outside and lost a place, got a better exit from the second corner though and got it back. At the end of the straight there were 3 abreast, but skeggsy spun in front of my group, so chaos ensumed, sending cars everywhere. The next 10 laps i spent dicing with Russ Treasure in his SC rotrex honda exige. He had 370bhp, so was rev limited to 6000rpm. it meant he got out of the corners very well, but his his limiter in 6th gear 3/4 of the way down the straight. Meant we swapped places twice a lap, but it was good fun regardless. He had a probelm at midway and dropped out. 2 laps from the end, i started to catch the other NA honda elise, who had dropped his VTEC, and was slowing down, he deffended well, and made it difficult to pass. Eventually i went round the outsideof him into the esses, only for Nipper to spin in front of me, and him to get back through. No worries i thought, get him next lap, but we crossed the line with the chequered flag waving. arse. never mind, good race, had fun, still in one piece. I had absolutely no idea where i had finished, as after skeggsy's spin on the first lap, i had lost sight of the leaders. drove into parc ferme to find out i was 3rd in class, 6th overall.
well shuffed.Second Race was a bit of a faff before it started. Its a handicap system, so theoretically, everyone has an equal chance of winning. Its based on your best laptime in qually and the first race. Somehow, i was starting at the back of the grid, despite being slower than thos infront of me. I was starting 15 seconds behind AJK, who beat me in the first race, and beside steve williamjs, who beat me by a lot in the first race. I asked for clarification, got it, the handicapper admitted there was a mistake, but it was too late to change it, so i started form the last group. The actual race was fantastic, lots of overtaking, lots of dicing, i managed to battle my way up to 17th, but that was as good as i was ever going to manage with the handicap the way it was. had i started in the right group, 15 seconds ahead, i would have been 3rd in class, and 7th overall. Never mind, i know i was robbed, and its one of many excuses that i have to add to my book now